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Old 01-25-08, 03:01 PM   #121
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My whole objection to you guys is well stated in this book, Why We Whisper: Restoring Our Right to Say It's Wrong. I know almost all of you will laugh and reject the argument made in this book but here goes. My problem is gamers who say that no one is allowed to say what is wrong. Gamers when pushed will admit that these games are bad for children but they still don't care because today it is not "PC" to make a value judgment on anything. That is wrong.

There are certain things that are not good for society. One of those things is a constant march towards desensitizing people to violence and sex. Every study out there shows that constantly viewing violence or sex teaches people to accept these two issues as ok or at least common place. This is never a good thing. And that is the point the people that were on Fox News were making. The game it self was not the issue. It is the violence and sex with in these games as a whole. You guys want to pick a part really petty things like off-hand comments that made the game look worse than it may be but that is the problem. Because we all are so used to the violence and sexual nature of many of these game we just don't see it as a big deal.

Your side wants to blast anyone who has the slightest objection to the garbage that is in these games. It doesn't matter to you guys if you actually address their argument because all you are looking for is a "gotcha" phrase on a blog or forum. For most of you that IS winning the whole argument. I mean really, look at the character assassination your side is engaging in. Once this ball got rolling a bunch of 8th graders ran in and told a bunch of fart jokes and passed that off as intellectual thought.

At no time did anyone on my side say they wanted to ban these games or censor them. We are merely bringing up the issue that constantly pushing this stuff into our culture is not good but as the argument in the book I link states, this is not allowed. The only people who are allowed to make any value judgment are those who are trying enforce no values.

It isn't good enough any more to say "you have a parental control feature on your console, L2USEIT". That does not address the issue. The issue is our society going to allow its self to slip further and further into the gutter. If you are fine with that then be honest. Don't run to your computer and trash a good person because you want to keep your habit up.

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Old 01-25-08, 03:15 PM   #122
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Joe is all bent out of shape because he can't actually argue his points with any logic. He conveniently ignored the thread and posts that basically whooped his metaphorical ass until he was lucky enough to find something else to yell at us about. Oh yeah, and he got put his mantra/love song to Cooper Lawrence in another post too. woo.
Y'know mezkal, you have consistently displayed the inability to even SEE his point or mine, let alone argue it.

Once you figure out what the "issue" is, then come back and chat. til then you're nothing but a pre-pubescent emotionally driven poster to me.
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Old 01-25-08, 03:30 PM   #123
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Y'know mezkal, you have consistently displayed the inability to even SEE his point or mine, let alone argue it.

Once you figure out what the "issue" is, then come back and chat. til then you're nothing but a pre-pubescent emotionally driven poster to me.
I like the way they got upset at me flaming them. That to them is wrong and childish even though I did it to make a point. You see they can make all sorts of value judgments on us but the moment we question their games, all bets are off. Look at what happened to that good lady when she dared to speak up. LOL!
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Old 01-25-08, 03:43 PM   #124
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Have you played the game?
No.

That there itself shows the person has actually done 0 research into the game. Has only read what they find in google.

Just plain...dumb.
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Old 01-25-08, 03:45 PM   #125
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I like the way they got upset at me flaming them. That to them is wrong and childish even though I did it to make a point. You see they can make all sorts of value judgments on us but the moment we question their games, all bets are off. Look at what happened to that good lady when she dared to speak up. LOL!
the problem is you are the pot calling the kettle black with how you post. grey actually acts like an adult the whole time. How do you expect anyone to want to take you seriously to take you for an asshat when you act just as bad if not worse than anyone else?
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I'm 99.9% sure she has a penis.


At the very least an extremely over sized clitoris.
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Old 01-25-08, 03:50 PM   #127
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Just saw the respond from EA. Nailed it spot on. There is far worse on TV/Movies and even Music Videos...but lets all blame video games because we are a bunch of clueless morons that dont know how to research on a subject..

mind boggling.
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Old 01-25-08, 03:52 PM   #128
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the problem is you are the pot calling the kettle black with how you post. grey actually acts like an adult the whole time. How do you expect anyone to want to take you seriously to take you for an asshat when you act just as bad if not worse than anyone else?
I never expected anyone to take me here to take me serious. It is simple. If you have a view that is not in line with gamers they go after you as the intolerant one. I, being in man conversations like this here on this board decided that no respect is required here. I know how you guys work. I just decided to treat you guys the way you guys treat anyone who dares speak up against games.

None of this matters because no one has yet address my argument. This post is further proof.

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Have you played the game?
No.

That there itself shows the person has actually done 0 research into the game. Has only read what they find in google.

Just plain...dumb.
First off I did play the game. The game is not as bad as the lay on Fox News said it was. Now is the game bad? To a much smaller degree than she is saying it is.

Two, my argument is not with this game. It is with the industry and people who defend it. Why is it so hard for every one here to understand this? Actually I know why it is hard but I digress.

Three, your post is meaningless. It doesn't address the issue. As I said. You guys are concerned with her description of this game rather than her real argument. That is something you guys cannot and will not understand because for you guys it is more meaningful to get a "gotcha" sound bite rather than address the real issue.
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Old 01-25-08, 03:55 PM   #129
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I'm 99.9% sure she has a penis.


At the very least an extremely over sized clitoris.
Thank you for providing proof to my argument.
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I like the way they got upset at me flaming them. That to them is wrong and childish even though I did it to make a point. You see they can make all sorts of value judgments on us but the moment we question their games, all bets are off. Look at what happened to that good lady when she dared to speak up. LOL!
Thing that cracks me up the most is the root of the interview isn't even about games, Mass Effect is only being used because it provides somewhat an example. Doesn't matter that you and I both love our video games (even though I would pwn you )...

All that matters is SOMEONE said SOMETHING BAD using a game as an example.

I'm done with this thread...
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Thing that cracks me up the most is the root of the interview isn't even about games, Mass Effect is only being used because it provides somewhat an example. Doesn't matter that you and I both love our video games (even though I would pwn you )...

All that matters is SOMEONE said SOMETHING BAD using a game as an example.

I'm done with this thread...
Yeah me too.
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