[Mass Effect] Fox News Is Shocked

[nVJoe]

Originally Posted by Camp0rz

It's no problem.

You know Camp0rz, despite my best efforts to not like you. I kind of do. DAMN YOU!

[crainger]

He's a lovable guy.

[Camp0rz]

It's hard to resist my charm.


You queers.

[mezkal]

Originally Posted by grey_1

Y'know mezkal, you have consistently displayed the inability to even SEE his point or mine, let alone argue it.

Once you figure out what the "issue" is, then come back and chat. til then you're nothing but a pre-pubescent emotionally driven poster to me.

I see his point quite clearly and if your read back a couple of posts, here lemme show you..

Originally Posted by me, from page 7, the largest and most detailed post I made, not sure how someone missed it

There are many studies into video game violence and its affect on children and their results are often varied if not inconclusive but personally I think that violent video games ARE harmful to children ESPECIALLY when the consumption of this content isn't regulated or managed by respected adult figures in their lives. The same is true of many adult pastimes that children also (often illegally) engage in, such as drinking, driving, smoking and watching porn. Ultimately it's the adults that have to monitor their child's behaviour, you're not going to stick your child in the family car alone and say 'go for it' are you? No, you'll sit by the child's side and monitor the way they drive, if in fact they're allowed to drive at all. Why should using a games machine be any different? It shouldn't be. There are laws protecting children from adult marketed games, just as there are laws protecting them from the consumption of alcohol and driving without a license.

While I agree that the games market could do with more stringent regulation of the ESRB's ratings systems the ratings have been in effect since late 1993, which is almost 20 years so adults really have no excuse to complain when kids who can't legally purchase adult oriented games somehow get their hands on them - generally via the same adults who raised them.

...it's just that I'm not willing to let him, you or any person try to scapegoat any legal pasttime for the fall of society. Society isn't at its end. Society works, it self regulates and has evolved quite well over the last 2000 years or so. Our laws, especially in the west, seem to be quite logical and fair for the most part and I do not agree that because some people think certain things are bad for certain groups that should be banned.

I value my freedom as much as the next person and I feel that if we start banning things willy-nilly rather than dealing with why certain people feel the need to castigate these things than the very foundations of our societies and indeed the creative expression of human culture become weaker and distorted. Basically banning expressive works because certain people can't manage to deal with them, either emotionally, spiritually or combinations of both is the same sort of thinking when the Nazi Party made it law to burn history books. Furthermore sniping at an industry that produces adult content with the argument that kids *may* (never been proven, unlikely to ever be) be corrupted by it DESPITE FULL KNOWLEDGE that

a. The majority of the content is aimed at adults

b. The content is regulated by an informed ratings system

c. Content blocking and filtering is possible and is in use today

is tantamount to a WITCH HUNT. I will gladly defend any industry that is being so unfairly treated by those who wish to gain political ground and who don't seek to avail themselves of the facts.

Joe chooses to repeat that same pathetic mantra with three really stupid questions all ending in yes because he does not want to be aware of the reality that surrounds him. He does not want to be aware of that reality because in that reality (the real meat of the issue) he has to act as a more responsible parent than he probably would like to. He would have to explain to his child that certain games are for adults and others are for kids and that no matter how cool a game may look he has to educate his own child in his own home on his own time that certain games are not for children.

Its the same as owning a car, gun, porn, alcohol or cigarettes - none of those are appropriate for children and yet all are maintained and consumed by adults in our modern society via laws and consumer rating systems that prevent children from using them. When children use them it is often adults who have enabled them and have been irresponsible. We take tobacco and alcohol abusers to task. We extend learners periods for young drivers and even take away their right to drive when they break the law, either inadvertently or by design. Laws work and society works so there's no need to ban violent or sexual content in games just as much as their is no need to ban drinking, smoking or porn as the law and relevant consumer ratings protect children inasmuch as they can. The bulk of protection must and should come from their parents.

I see your points just fine, I just don't agree with them and I will never agree with scapegoating.

[ViN86]

Originally Posted by Camp0rz

It's hard to resist my charm.


You queers.

how the hell can you not like a guy with Dwight as his avatar? lol

[nVJoe]

Originally Posted by mezkal

I see his point quite clearly and if your read back a couple of posts, here lemme show you..



...it's just that I'm not willing to let him, you or any person try to scapegoat any legal pasttime for the fall of society. Society isn't at its end. Society works, it self regulates and has evolved quite well over the last 2000 years or so. Our laws, especially in the west, seem to be quite logical and fair for the most part and I do not agree that because some people think certain things are bad for certain groups that should be banned.

I value my freedom as much as the next person and I feel that if we start banning things willy-nilly rather than dealing with why certain people feel the need to castigate these things than the very foundations of our societies and indeed the creative expression of human culture become weaker and distorted. Basically banning expressive works because certain people can't manage to deal with them, either emotionally, spiritually or combinations of both is the same sort of thinking when the Nazi Party made it law to burn history books. Furthermore sniping at an industry that produces adult content with the argument that kids *may* (never been proven, unlikely to ever be) be corrupted by it DESPITE FULL KNOWLEDGE that

a. The majority of the content is aimed at adults

b. The content is regulated by an informed ratings system

c. Content blocking and filtering is possible and is in use today

is tantamount to a WITCH HUNT. I will gladly defend any industry that is being so unfairly treated by those who wish to gain political ground and who don't seek to avail themselves of the facts.

Joe chooses to repeat that same pathetic mantra with three really stupid questions all ending in yes because he does not want to be aware of the reality that surrounds him. He does not want to be aware of that reality because in that reality (the real meat of the issue) he has to act as a more responsible parent than he probably would like to. He would have to explain to his child that certain games are for adults and others are for kids and that no matter how cool a game may look he has to educate his own child in his own home on his own time that certain games are not for children.

Its the same as owning a car, gun, porn, alcohol or cigarettes - none of those are appropriate for children and yet all are maintained and consumed by adults in our modern society via laws and consumer rating systems that prevent children from using them. When children use them it is often adults who have enabled them and have been irresponsible. We take tobacco and alcohol abusers to task. We extend learners periods for young drivers and even take away their right to drive when they break the law, either inadvertently or by design. Laws work and society works so there's no need to ban violent or sexual content in games just as much as their is no need to ban drinking, smoking or porn as the law and relevant consumer ratings protect children inasmuch as they can. The bulk of protection must and should come from their parents.

I see your points just fine, I just don't agree with them and I will never agree with scapegoating.

How does it feel to be so wrong so often? I mean, how does it feel to get things awfully wrong and each new attempt makes it worse? At this point your posts are quite impressive in their inability to make the connection.

Let me help a brotha out. Go here http://www.mapquest.com/ so you can get on the right track. Just watch out for bat country.

LOL! Witch hunt. LMAO!

[mezkal]

Joe : Once again, you don't argue based on fact or research but just your ill-conceived and baseless opinion. You are the kind of poster who gives LOL a bad name. You post with all the maturity and integrity of a badly behaved child.

[mumstheword]

Appears as if Mezkal has annihilated NvJoe once again. And like clockwork, Nvjoe retreats and starts a liberal bashing thread in retaliation.

Some people should be more concerned with what their children are doing, instead of trying to push their self-righteous viewpoints on everyone else.

[Lyme]

She RECANTS!!
In an interview on Friday, Ms. Lawrence said that since the controversy over her remarks erupted she had watched someone play the game for about two and a half hours. “I recognize that I misspoke,” she said. “I really regret saying that, and now that I’ve seen the game and seen the sex scenes it’s kind of a joke.

“Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it’s like pornography,” she added. “But it’s not like pornography. I’ve seen episodes of ‘Lost’ that are more sexually explicit.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/26/ar...gin&oref=login (free registration required)

Probably because the internet gamers dragged her through the mud on so many levels.

[crainger]

Well there's ya problem. She watches Lost.

Case solved.

[MustangSVT]

Originally Posted by mumstheword

Appears as if Mezkal has annihilated NvJoe once again. And like clockwork, Nvjoe retreats and starts a liberal bashing thread in retaliation.

Some people should be more concerned with what their children are doing, instead of trying to push their self-righteous viewpoints on everyone else.

QFT

[Severian126]

It's nice to see her take the time to try the game, view it, play it, or otherwise. That's something not a lot of people will do after publicly trashing something they have no clue about.

This whole issue isn't so much as the whole videogames vs morality standpoint which got the gaming community riled. That whole debate is ever-ongoing and its existence is so obvious that it's come to the point where we don't need to point it out. Rather, this whole mess came from the very basic principle that a person with credentials should not put down something due to lack of research. It flies in the face of common sense, and Cooper justifiably felt the ramifcations of it.

Some may argue that she's a good person with good intentions - of which I doubt since I smell a lot of self promotion for her book from that FOX segment - and that her livelihood shouldn't be affected from her opinions. But the people who worked on the game Mass Effect need to defend all the work they put into creating the game as well when a news organization place their product under a very dubious and misleading light.