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Old 01-22-08, 11:23 PM   #49
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There is definitely some truth to this... but what tool/standard is used to convince people to tighten their standards and censor videogames. It's often religion.

In terms of nudity, the shame of adam and eve is invoked everytime that Janet's boob shows up on TV. We all have nipples, but for some reason it is a sin that she expose hers. It strikes me as very strange. Maybe the Bible isn't the main reason for this and I'm totally of base here, but I can't think of what else it would be.
The Bible is not the only source of moral standards. and it's not like religion forces people to be more morally conservative. it's just trends in society. things become popular, and then they become unpopular.
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Old 01-22-08, 11:23 PM   #50
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Compare that with say my home country of Romania (eastern europe) where 99.9% of society is Orthodox Christian, and yet nudity on TV (and etc.) is not frowned upon. You can turn to most cable channels at around midnight and there'll be a boob or something.
OK, I'm wrong.
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Old 01-22-08, 11:24 PM   #51
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Russia wasn't co-founded by Puritans. No insult intended Mustang, but you do need to look into the history of the US a little deeper than this decade.
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Old 01-22-08, 11:25 PM   #52
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Russia wasn't co-founded by Puritans. No insult intended Mustang, but you do need to look into the history of the US a little deeper than this decade.
yes, 80 years isnt really enough data for a full in-depth analysis. i was just pointing out small trends in the not-so-distant past.
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Old 01-22-08, 11:34 PM   #53
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You didn't watch the vid at first, yet you comment on this thread and you call me out on bringing something that doesn't relate to it? Way to go little black pot. As you said you hadn't even seen news item prior to making your first post.
You are one of the biggest idiots on this board. You flew off the handle and said things I didn't even say. I then pointed out that you had what I said wrong now you want to try and play it off because I didn't watch the video? You are an idiot.. to be redundant here. I even said after view the video it re-enforced my guess of what was said in the video and it made your point of view absolutely stupid.

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To comment on a discussion without having any knowledge of the matter being discussed is the very definition of stupidity.
Hey dumbass, we have had this discussion many times here. I knew exactly what you guys were talking about. You on the other hand are too stupid to have a clue as to what I said. You are the reflexive gamer I was talking about and I was correct WITHOUT even seeing the video yet. LOL!

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If you support the view that what they say is true that Mass Effect is some laviscous sexfest you truly are pathetic.
You are taking their over dramatization of the game and running on it like a child.
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sure, but who the hell is the government or anyone else to tell us that they are not good for us?
Who said anything about the government? All those people on that show were private citizens. The government has no business in this. It is up to us as a society to decide on these matter. Those people were debating the topic. Most here get pissed off if the topic is even debated. Look at mezkal or what ever his name is. He flew off the handle and started crying about Christians.

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first, i dont care what is in video games. as long as they are marked/rated correctly and not sold to minors, i dont care. however, what i do have a problem with, is some group of people talking about how it's bad for society and what not. if it's so bad, THEN DONT ****IN BUY IT.
There is nothing wrong with having this discussion. It is healthy for a society to debate these issue. Why do you not want us to even discuss it?

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second, if the government were to try to step in to ban this type of content, that would be overstepping their bounds imo. enforce more strict age control and ratings, fine. but limiting content because of minimal nudity is just retarded.
Again, who said anything about the government? I am not for the government banning this. I am for private industry regulating its self.

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you don't understand how to change things, yet, do you?

there's a difference between telling people what is wrong/immoral, and teaching them what is wrong/immoral. doing what they did, does nothing. it changes no part of society or anything. the only way to eliminate things like this is to make them socially unpopular, and sitting on a high horse and preaching about how bad it is, just makes people want to do it more.

people only change when they want to change. and things like sexual content, profanity, abortion, etc., will only become unpopular when society as a whole deems them to be unpopular.
You say the only way to change this is to make it socially unpopular yet the moment they start talking about this you say that is wrong. You basically want all opposition to this to be quiet and put up with what it doesn't like. How unfortunate.
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Can FOX talk about them without insulting the viewers' intelligence?

Also where exactly did I insult Christians? Did I say anywhere in my posts that they were bad? I talked about the conservative right wing political push that uses religion and specifically christianity (along with 'Americanism') to manipulate people, something that FOX News has been accused of doing more than once and by better, more informed people than me.
You said I was pandering to the Christian right as if the Christian right was a bad thing. Your whole attitude towards religion is bigoted and pathetic. It shows in all your posts and even in threads like this where it was never a part of the conversation till you brought it up. This is why very few here like or respect you.
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Old 01-22-08, 11:43 PM   #56
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Here is the basic argument they were making. Are these games good for kids? No. Are these games marketed towards kids? Yes. Should kids be playing these games? No. Do parents have a responsibility to monitor their children especially when these games are around? Yes. Did they mention the government banning these games? No.

None of you who disagree with them have a damn leg to stand on. You just don't like the fact that there are people out there that find some of these games put out to be disgusting. Too bad deal with it.

Not one of you can say these games are good for children. Not one of you can say these games are NOT marketed towards children. You are all smart people (except mezkal, he is a tit) and know this to be true whether you like it or not.

You are all over reacting to this. And I will post more posts in a row if I DAMN WELL FEEL LIKE IT!

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Christianity has a huge impact on our culture, and guilt about nudity is a prime teaching of Christianity. That's why we are so bothered by bewbs on TV and the pagan Euros aren't.
Wow, I guess you're right. Life would be so much better if America was an atheist society and government. I'm sure nudity would be celebrated in such a society.

Hmm...if only we knew an example of an atheist society and government

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Pornography in the Soviet Union was largely suppressed until the final years of the USSR. According to The Pornography and Erotica Debate: USSR, sex in general was viewed as "a wasteful consumer of energies better devoted to the building of Communism." Possession could get up to 3 years in prison, or a 300 ruble fine. The 1988 Soviet film Malenkaya Vera was the first to feature a sex scene. The resolution on Glasnost stated, "Glasnost must not be used...[to] disseminate pornography" but by September 1989, calendars of topless women for the year 1990 were being sold in Moscow.[
So much for that theory
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You are one of the biggest idiots on this board. You flew off the handle and said things I didn't even say. I then pointed out that you had what I said wrong now you want to try and play it off because I didn't watch the video? You are an idiot.. to be redundant here. I even said after view the video it re-enforced my guess of what was said in the video and it made your point of view absolutely stupid.
Stating a point of view about one of parties being discussed is not flying off the handle, calling people names for not agreeing with their opinion is.

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Hey dumbass, we have had this discussion many times here. I knew exactly what you guys were talking about. You on the other hand are too stupid to have a clue as to what I said. You are the reflexive gamer I was talking about and I was correct WITHOUT even seeing the video yet. LOL!
Laugh it up all you want, it doesn't save you from being one-eyed or wrong. We have not had THIS discussion here 'many times'. THIS discussion regards a recent Fox News item where they blame MS and the game devs of Mass Effect for allowing sexual imagery to reach children and not the discussion that the overall view that violence and/or sexual imagery in video games is harmful. For someone to bring THAT discussion to light with regards to THIS one means that their (your) view is already coloured and their (your) mind is already primed with a response.

You weren't correct without seeing the article being discussed because: -

a. you hadn't seen it, so your opinion is flawed and out of context - the issue at hand was sexual imagery in Mass Effect reaches children and may harm them, not video game violence or sexual imagery in games being harmful in the general context (though FOX news would like you to center on that issue, regardless of the fact that they were discussing a specific game's sexual content)

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b. The XBOX 360 has parental controls which makes the issue of kids seeing the sexual imagery and MS/ME game devs being responsible for showing it a moot point. The regulation of sexual imagery in a house is to be managed by the people who can legally purchase the products that hold such content - the adults of the house and if they do not manage this content even when given the ability to do so then they are irresponsible parents. MS and the ME devs are not being irresponsible in putting such sexual imagery into the game.

(funny how the FOX News 'journalists' - presenters really avoid that side of the discussion altogether, funny how you do to)

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You are taking their over dramatization of the game and running on it like a child.
No. I was illustrating their sensationalist, irrational and factually incorrect views on the subject matter at hand and making you understand how idiotic a person would be to agree with them.
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Old 01-23-08, 12:03 AM   #59
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Who said anything about the government? All those people on that show were private citizens. The government has no business in this. It is up to us as a society to decide on these matter. Those people were debating the topic. Most here get pissed off if the topic is even debated. Look at mezkal or what ever his name is. He flew off the handle and started crying about Christians.


There is nothing wrong with having this discussion. It is healthy for a society to debate these issue. Why do you not want us to even discuss it?


Again, who said anything about the government? I am not for the government banning this. I am for private industry regulating its self.
i assumed (*gasp* the dirty word) that you meant that intervention should be taken. i was merely pointing out that government intervention in this case would be futile.

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You say the only way to change this is to make it socially unpopular yet the moment they start talking about this you say that is wrong. You basically want all opposition to this to be quiet and put up with what it doesn't like. How unfortunate.
nothing wrong with talking, i was trying to emphasize the fact that 4 people talking about this on Fox News will have little effect on the majority of Americans.

****, i saw a boob when i was 8 years old and it didnt turn me into a sex craved lunatic. wait... maybe that was what did it
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Wow, I guess you're right. Life would be so much better if America was an atheist society and government. I'm sure nudity would be celebrated in such a society.
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