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Old 02-10-08, 12:38 PM   #25
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Thanks a lot for the load of information and for clearing up the open questions

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Trapezoids are rendered in a two-step process by the X server. First, it allocates a scratch pixmap and draws the trapezoids into that. Then, it uses the result as the mask for a composite operation. The second step is accelerated. The first step is still done in software right now because the Render extension makes it very complicated to accelerate correctly. Modern GPUs ought to be able to do it, and I plan to look into what it would take soon, but I can't make any promises.
So the nvidia driver uses the same model as Java+OpenGL.
Great to hear that there is some interest to make it even faster

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Old 02-10-08, 11:24 PM   #26
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Because there's NOTHING in Linux that could possibly take advantage of the 8800 GTS right now.
Not even ETQW? It's eating my 6800 alive right now. Are you saying ETQW is child's play for an 8800? Might be time to 86 the 6800. If only there was a decent 8800 for under $100 (my target price for video cards since my GF2.) I'l give it until summer. By then the 9's should be out. =)

As for the rant, I'm sure he's just upset. Let's face it, bleeding edge framebuffers have always had issues regardless of the OS (Solaris and IRIX included.) To buy on the cutting edge and expect 100% satisfaction day one is a bit naive. There are just too many variables that get into play by the time it is installed in an end user's machine.

Report the bugs, keep a level head, and maybe someone will listen. They might even fix the problem.
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Old 02-11-08, 12:35 AM   #27
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@energyman76b
how much ram does your 8600 have?

cause my old 7800GTX eats my new 8800GTS512 4 dinner as far as 2D performance goes, and I'm wondering if its got something to do with the amount of RAM on the card, as most of the cards not suffering this had 256 or less.

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try scrolling on a firefox window, its just laggy as hell with my 8800GTS512, but was fine with a 7800GTX

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what mobo options r we talking here?
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Old 02-11-08, 01:33 AM   #28
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256MB says the carton.

(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 8600 GT (G84) at PCI:4:0:0 (GPU-0)
(--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 524288 kBytes
(--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 60.84.38.00.00
(II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 16X

says xorg.0.log

(imho it should be made more clear that half of it is system memory).
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Old 02-11-08, 05:15 AM   #29
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That's interesting, mine says

(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 8800 GTS 512 (G92) at PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0)
(--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 524288 kBytes
(--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 62.92.16.00.25
(II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 16X
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Old 08-23-08, 01:27 AM   #30
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Better late than never, the actual BETA Drive has fixed nearly all my problems.

2D performance is now much better, but the work is not done.

I would say THANKS NVIDIA, but this is my money and it is very late.

So I say:
I happy now with this CARD.

Now I can compare between ATI and NVIDIA.

fglrx is not the best too, but no 2D performance problems.
With fglrx is it not possible for me to see video without tearing.
And fglrx causes video flickering with compiz or KDE 4 effects.

But ATI goes Open Source (see radeonhd) and has a very nice installer that generates *.deb packages for a clean installation!

So I look forward and hope NVIDIA learns from this mistake.
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Old 08-23-08, 06:10 PM   #31
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You are right, Gregor.

I had the pleasure to own an $ANOTHER_VENDOR card for some days as well. For some days...
I do not mean to bash against $ANOTHER_VENDOR here, but all the blames against Nvidia I have to say something about MY experience with $ANOTHER_VENDOR as well:
- KDM sometimes just freezed when framebuffer resolution was higher than 640x480
- X randomly just locked
- X randomly locked while switching to or from terminals
- Tearing in Videos
- KDE 4 OpenGL effects just resulted in Black windows
- Constant tearing *with* VSync forced... setting VSync via SDL completly useless
- Many games in Wine using 3D just refused to start

Just to be pragmatic: I tend to deal with NVidias current issues I can see it's worked on than with this $ANOTHER_VENDOR problems I cannot fix as fast as new spawn up... sorry. (Admitting some problems caused by misconfiguration, but I tried 2 days there...)
As said - no offense - but currenlty I love my 2D problems compared to that and ppl should sometimes consider it's not everything perfect before shouting "I change to XYZ".
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Old 08-24-08, 10:14 AM   #32
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Actually just a couple of days ago I was considering whether to buy myself a nice 48xx card to put into a new system. Guess what, the ati website still didn't have linux drivers for download for the 38xx series, at least one somewhere where I could easily find it.

So I bought myself another 8800 gts for the new system and I'm not going to think about it much. Cheers to nVidia's linux support and this forum!
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Old 08-24-08, 11:31 AM   #33
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they didn't update the webpage but the driver for the 3XXX works with 4XXX too.
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Old 08-25-08, 10:27 AM   #34
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Great for them that their driver works, too bad for them I didn't buy their card. If you vector into windows downloads the cards show up fine. GG ati!
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Old 08-25-08, 01:17 PM   #35
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@all:
OK, please excuse my outburst of emotions.
Please understand me, I fell me a little disappointed.

@NVIDIA:
If I buy a NVIDIA Card, i pay for good Linux support to.
Maybe the driver is good and the graphic concept of Linux is the problem.

I don't know. I am not professional enough to appraise it!

But I hope, NVIDIA solve this problems, maybe together with X.org developers.
Certain cards are bad when it comes to drivers. We all know the fuss about the non SLI performace that was made when the 7950GX2 came out. The 320 and 640 Mb 8800 cards may well be remembered in the same light.

First rule for Linux users is buy it after you know it works. We all know NEW = Not working yet, when it comes to Linux. Take this and add it to your lessons learned. Just be glad you did not buy 30 cards.
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Old 08-25-08, 08:07 PM   #36
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I concur. Unless you buy a support contract with a VENDOR the burden of it working is on the user. nvidia and ati are NOT vendors and aren't in the business of supporting end users.. but dell is. This is typical of a hobby computer - homemade with only the retailer or vendor's support agreements. And I'm pretty sure most retail nvidia cards don't get free linux support - at least, I've never seen any on my STB Velocity 4400, Xtacy Geforce4 Ti 4400, BFG 6600GT, or EVGA 8800GTS cards. If they did, you would see a few newegg reports saying "Cons: does not work reliably in linux".

There is one nv company that from first glance claiming support for linux although I do not know how well - ZOGIS ZO88GT-E GeForce 8800 GT 512MB. I've never heard of the company myself. It could just be a typo as no other products claim any OS support and their support page has nothing but windows and other. I also see no mention of any warranty. It may be 2 years which is small by most standards.

That said, Sam Adams will ALWAYS be a good decision.
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