Has anyone gotten Nvidia Driver on new Fedora 9?

[Alan666]

Originally Posted by AaronP

Nope, sorry.

Will they at least release a beta that has 3d working?

[dr.diesel]

Originally Posted by AaronP

Nope, sorry.

A week, month, years out?

[Alan666]

Originally Posted by Alan666

Will they at least release a beta that has 3d working?

Also, I might note that the current beta only works for those people with the current new supported chipsets. I have a laptop with a 440go chipset that needs the 96xx legacy drivers. (I also have a laptop with an 8600gs chipset, but that one is mine. My wife would like working 3d.)

[Chem]

I just tried a fresh install of F9 using the 173.xx driver via Livna. Total failure. startx -ignoreABI or -- -ignoreABI didn't help, and creating a new section in xorg.conf for "Module" in which to Disable "glx" didn't help either. Simply could not start X. This is with a 9600GT. Anyone actually get this working? Post your procedure?

[tmlunde]

Hi

I have tried following the instructions twice, and each time ending up with a broken system. So, NVIDIA not managing to release drivers for Fedora 9, I would say is another nail in the box (for NVIDIA). Someone said costumers are always right, but it seems like NVIDIA does not care.

Anyway, I guess the response from NVIDIA will be as always:

"Sorry linux users. We dont really want to support you and we dont see any point in following what is coming from the open world".

[NvFuchs]

tmlunde: Fedora 9 uses a preview Version of Xorgs xserver.

It is hard for a company like nvidia to support such versions,
because there might be severe changes to the ABI
between releases of them.

Fedora is to blame for using non-stable, pre-release versions
in a final release, just because having 1.4 xserver looks good
in the shelves.

Oh, and by the way, other companies providing binary
graphic drivers don't support this as well.

And there are already answers from nvidia on this problem
and when it will be fixed, for some strange reasons
the answer differs from yours ...

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...99&postcount=9

Fuchs

[tmlunde]

Yes, NvFuchs

I am aware of that, and I guess we could keep the discussion on who to blame:

1. Fedora for using a preview release of X.org
2. X.org who did not release X Server 1.5.0/X.org 7.4 in March as scheduled
3. NVIDIA for not releasing open source drivers

I think Fedora and the X.org foundation can be excused since we are not paying any money to them, and thereby we are not their costumers, but their users and contributors. We have all(?) been paying NVIDIA by purchasing graphic cards, and it should be the interest of NVIDIA to make sure we experience NVIDIA graphics cards to be reliable and performing well not only on Microsoft products, but also on the growing marked of open source operating systems. To get this experience it is necessary that one of the two options are available:

1. NVIDIA deliver drivers for major releases like Fedora 9 (by changing their policy?)
2. NVIDIA make their drivers open so that the open community can develop their own drivers

I can agree that the previous post might have been unclear, and I do understand that NVIDIA has a policy only to support final releases. However X.org 7.4 is stable enough to be released with Fedora 9, and the Intel drivers have been shipped with the release.

I am quite sure there are quite some people at NVIDIA who would like to promote open drivers, and honour to them. My main frustration is the lack of willingness to cooperate from the "higher-ups" as AaronP writes.

[NvFuchs]

Originally Posted by tmlunde

Yes, NvFuchs

I am aware of that, and I guess we could keep the discussion on who to blame:

1. Fedora for using a preview release of X.org
2. X.org who did not release X Server 1.5.0/X.org 7.4 in March as scheduled
3. NVIDIA for not releasing open source drivers

I think Fedora and the X.org foundation can be excused since we are not paying any money to them,

Fedora is, even though they don't communicate this directly,
a playground for Redhat for the RHEL product,
which costs (or at least the support for it) lots of money.

And doing your work for free does not take all responsibility
from you or puts the responsibility to a company.
Neither from Xorg to nvidia because they can't keep schedules,
nor from Fedora to nvidia because they use pre-release products.

and thereby we are not their costumers, but their users and contributors. We have all(?) been paying NVIDIA by purchasing graphic cards, and it should be the interest of NVIDIA to make sure we experience NVIDIA graphics cards to be reliable and performing well not only on Microsoft products, but also on the growing marked of open source operating systems.

I don't see the problem here, I have a great experience
on my two Gentoo systems and on the Kubuntu testing one.

To get this experience it is necessary that one of the two options are available:

1. NVIDIA deliver drivers for major releases like Fedora 9 (by changing their policy?)

And for the new SuSE, the new Kubuntu, the new Debian,
the new Mandriva, the new Gentoo, the new Desktop-BSD,
the new FreeBSD, the new ...

There is support for major Kernel- and Xorg releases.
If Distributions fail to deliver those releases in their
stable relesaes: blame the distribution.

Then: Software engineering is a difficult process,
and has it's own time schedules. (Just look at Xorg)
You can't adapt those schedules to each and every
major distributions out there, which are not really
coordinated as well, even though there are efforts.

2. NVIDIA make their drivers open so that the open community can develop their own drivers

Probably not possible. Intellectual Properties, patents, ...
They might go the same way as amd/ati and release specs,
and produce a _new_ open source driver, not based on the old one.
But just look at amd/ati and where the open driver is at the moment ...

I can agree that the previous post might have been unclear, and I do understand that NVIDIA has a policy only to support final releases. However X.org 7.4 is stable enough to be released with Fedora 9, and
the Intel drivers have been shipped with the release.

You did read the post I linked to, right?
The maintainer just said that the API is now stable,
_now_ it can be considered stable and nvidia can focus on it.

Fedora did and still does include pre-release software,
and I can't blame any company or coder who does not
support this software, it is a pain in the arse.

Blame fedora or wait to update until the software in use
there is stable, so companies begin supporting it.


</personal opinion>
Fuchs

[tmlunde]

Thanks for a good response

I certainly do not disagree with you, Fuchs, but at the moment I think we are discussing from different perspectives.

On your side, you are pointing at the realities now, where there is no doubt you are right (I agree with the main conclusions).

However, what will be the reality in the future? Unless users tell companies like NVIDIA what would be a perfect world, how would they know?

Last word from me (maybe).

Thank you for a constructive debate.

[gbil]

As I wrote in a previous post, people should stop hijacking threads just to say that they want open source drivers.

There are numerous threads about open source drivers but this thread is not about this.

[meznaric]

Personally, I don't blame nVidia. I am quite happy that they are making good drivers for the Linux users. Anyone who wants stable functionality should not be using pre-release software. Stick with Fedora 8 until the driver or Xorg is released.

[tmlunde]

To answer the question first posted:

At this stage; wait with installing NVIDIA drivers in Fedora 9 till the official ones are released. That is my advice based on my own experiences. The Intel drivers work very well (tho' no 3D).

So, to comment my first post here, it was built up to say:
1. The beta drivers should not be used, and you risk having to reinstall Fedora 9
2. It would be nice if they worked