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Old 05-28-08, 02:43 AM   #25
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If You read my postings above, You should notice that I have suspend working (with exceptions) and hibernate too (with latest driver only) in standard Fedora8 configuration.

So it's not that we don't have it at all, it's just somewhat partly working/broken. If You don't need any 3D or super fast 2D, You should stick with vesa or nv driver, coz everything is working using them. If not, prepare for instability... However, with nVidia driver 2D is blazing fast compared to nv or vesa, not to mention 3D, which nv just simply doesn't have at all

As far as I know, no Linux native applications cause crash when wake up!

Comment on my previous post: it seems that TotalCommander with open network disks (CIFS thingy, then mapped to disk letter in Wine) could be the reason for broken wake up from S3 state. At least not leaving it open when suspending, wake up succeeds later.

Anyways, I find it quite interesting how regular applications can cause such a behavior from graphic driver... Or these are just blind luck / no luck situations I have...
Anyway, further findings will come
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Old 05-28-08, 09:35 AM   #26
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The 173.08 really don't work on Ubuntu 8.04 + T61P (Quatro FX 570M). The graphic card is not recognized and gdm start in low-resolution.

I should read the log and see what's wrong...
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Old 05-28-08, 04:08 PM   #27
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Ok, initial findings about 173.14.05, more will come later

Suspend and hibernate works with Firefox3 RC1 opened (did I said it's initial findings? ).
Suspend works without a hitch, hibernate still have some soft CPU lockup 5 times for 11 secs each, but it resumes fine and afterward seem to work ok.
Performance wise I dont' see any big improvement over 173.08 beta, but my opinion might change after some tough testing.
I did set that new cache setting Option "PixmapCacheSize" "192000" together with InitialPixmapPlacement=0 and GlyphCache=1 (fastest for me), gtkperf didn't show anything faster than before and firefox still is ok.

Will update this after more tests at real world production situations and some GL games / Wine games of course!
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Old 05-28-08, 04:51 PM   #28
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Ok, initial findings about 173.14.05, more will come later

Suspend and hibernate works with Firefox3 RC1 opened (did I said it's initial findings? ).
Suspend works without a hitch, hibernate still have some soft CPU lockup 5 times for 11 secs each, but it resumes fine and afterward seem to work ok.
Performance wise I dont' see any big improvement over 173.08 beta, but my opinion might change after some tough testing.
I did set that new cache setting Option "PixmapCacheSize" "192000" together with InitialPixmapPlacement=0 and GlyphCache=1 (fastest for me), gtkperf didn't show anything faster than before and firefox still is ok.

Will update this after more tests at real world production situations and some GL games / Wine games of course!
You are aware that PixmapCacheSize and GlyphCache settings make no difference if ipp is not at 2 (pixmaps need to be created in vidmem)
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Old 05-28-08, 05:05 PM   #29
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You are aware that PixmapCacheSize and GlyphCache settings make no difference if ipp is not at 2 (pixmaps need to be created in vidmem)
As I said, further findings will come, but I also said that IP=0 and GC=1 are fastest for me! It's about 10-15% faster with IP=0 than IP=2. I have integrated chip. If You read my posts above - T61, NVS 140M Quadro.
Some said it will be faster with IP=1, I find it faster with IP=0, so I am aware of it
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Old 05-28-08, 08:06 PM   #30
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I just installed 173.14.05 and suspend/resume seems to work fine. However it's still very slow, around 30-40s to wake up. Any idea how to improve this?

thanks
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Old 06-12-08, 02:36 AM   #31
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Ok, update again...

173.14.05: story doesn't seem nice, suspend works and hibernate too, but now (oposed to 173.08 beta) both show CPU soft lockup in F9 and Debian Lenny, which is annoying, with Fedora8 suspend seem to work as stated prevously.

However I installed drivers from Lenovo (149.10.29 for Suse Linux) on Fedora8 32bit and hibernate and suspend works brilliant, no crashes, it's fast, no lockups, but it's only for 32bit, which I can't use because of other reasons.

So, I'm starting to give up on this, I have to work, not playing around settings, config files, kernels etc.

I suspect that I'll return only, when other issues with 32bit will be resolved or Lenovo will release 64bit drivers for linux like systems.
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Old 08-21-08, 04:07 PM   #32
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Short update.

Now I'm kinda using Fedora9 instead of Fedora8 - on F8 X was crashing upon wakeup.
Status for my T61:
* 177.13 - soft lockups on resume from hibernate, suspend is broken - kaput
* 177.67 and 177.68: hibernate broken, suspend broken, total kaput

Performance increase from 177.13 and 177.68 is about 5-7%, which is too few for stability.
This is not looking good at all.

That's it for the moment.
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Old 08-21-08, 06:13 PM   #33
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Hi Kirurgs,
I have a similar T61 and a Quadro NVS 140 card on Fedora 9 x86-64 and suspend (pm-suspend) works ok with 177.13. I still have some randoms lookups related to the wireless network driver (did you try to suspend with wirelles disabled?) but otherwise for me 177.13 is very reliable (and fast - 12-13 sec for suspend/resume).
I had some problems first - blank screen on resuming (actually it was resuming after 2-3 minutes of blank screen) but apparently it was a bios bug - and suspending by not using s3_bios cured it.
As far as I remember I had only to change the pm-suspend mode (to tell it to not use the bios initialization upon resume) , disable the USB modules (before suspend and re-enable them on resume), and tweek some other minor things - vbetools and addd some hal quiks.
I will try to remember exactly what I did (and maybe we can compare configurations).
Cheers,
Andrei

P.S. For me hibernate is not working - but I haven't really looked for solutions yet.
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Old 08-22-08, 10:05 AM   #34
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Well, I'll not tweak Fedora9 or Fedora8 any more, I'm looking for F10 actually It was just an update with vanilla F9 and manual driver installation, so people can look what to expect

I haven't tweaked anything for suspend/hibernate after initial installation, 177.13 worked quite ok in Fedora8, but it doesn't in F9 (suspend is totally broken).
There are thing is F10 which interested me, so I'll probably install F10 when beta will come out (that will be quite soon) and test there
But of course, we can exchange configurations, maybe it will help us both.
Have you updated BIOS to latest version? Mine is latest.

P.S. Are You russian, Andrei seems to be quite familiar name
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Old 08-22-08, 12:26 PM   #35
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R61, which is basically the same hardware in a different shell.

S3 (Suspend to RAM) and S4 (hibernate / suspend to disk) are working, maybe some of the following information might help you:

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Instal...a_ThinkPad_R61

however, my article is not up to date, s3 and s4 are working on more recent kernels (2.6.26) even without tux on ice here.

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Old 09-10-08, 06:50 AM   #36
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Hi, short update and some sort of summary about hibernate and suspend on my T61 using 177 series driver from nVidia. Previous driver expierence can be found in posts earlier.

Suspend (if its specified as works - it means works flawlessly):
* Fedora8 works with 177.13 (this was latest I tried) but X crashes - but notice that no probs with nVidia itself, this is X problem
* Fedora9 doesn't with 177.13, 177.6x, 177.70, doesn't resume at all (probably not nVidia problem, but not sure)
* Debian Lenny works with 177.13, 177.6x, 177.70
* ArchLinux works with 1.5 PRE RC6 server using 177.13, 177.6x, 177.70, it does NOT crash with 1.4.2 server ONLY if You remove xorg-fonts-100dpi and xorg-fonts-75dpi font package, otherwise it crashes and it is NOT nVidias fault

Hibernate:
* common stuff: if computer is resuming, it always is slow and beeps 2-4 times after 30 sec or so pause after each beep, computer is waiting for smth, there is no known case it's resuming fast and nice, but I have to note that mostly it does resume even it beeps (see below)

* Fedora8 works with 177.13 (beeps 2 times), but X crashes sometimes - but notice that no probs with nVidia itself, this is X problem
* Fedora9 doesn't with 177.13, 177.6x, 177.70 (beeps 4 times and dies - blank screen), doesn't resume at all, this looks like nVidia
* Debian Lenny works with 177.13, 177.70 - beeps 2 times and resumes fine
* ArchLinux works with 177.13, 177.70 - beeps 2 times and resumes fine

This all was tested by me on my HW with no tweaks whatsoever apart from standard install. In Arch I used pm-utils method.
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