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Old 04-20-08, 11:34 AM   #13
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Today I have 2 lockups after install new keyboard.
Was the old keyboard PS/2 and the new one USB? I've heard that having USB Legacy Support enabled (or auto) in the BIOS can cause problems on certain configurations.
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Old 04-20-08, 11:55 AM   #14
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Bad news everyone! Today I have 2 lockups after install new keyboard.

so you mainboard is a POS? Or what do you want to tell us?
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Old 04-20-08, 05:43 PM   #15
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this still does not mean its not nvidias fault....
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Old 04-20-08, 06:43 PM   #16
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oh, it rained today! Must be nvidia's fault.
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Old 04-20-08, 07:11 PM   #17
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im not saying it IS nvidias fault, im just saying, that having a piece of nvidia kit in ones machine sometimes results in very weird behavior.. bus corruption, hardlocks, etc...

and as for rain im sure that the excessive amount of energy nvidia cards are responsible for, has contributed to some sort of environmental change, be it more or less rain, i cannot say
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Old 04-20-08, 07:37 PM   #18
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I had mostly passive cooled cards in the past - so nvidia's energy consumption can't be that bad

There are a lot of things that can go wrong in a computer. And the first thing to blame is usually the PSU followed by the bios, the chipset (via&ali have a very bad track record) assorted mainboard f* ups, and then the nvidia hardware....
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Old 04-20-08, 07:50 PM   #19
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my experience is VERY different.

nvidias chips have a long history of causing severe corruption of memory and busses, and all sorts of other weird havok.

This goes from the IDE controllers, to graphics cards, to.. well.. entire chipsets..

latest incident i personally was involved in, was a friend that bought a motherboard with nvidia chipset, it was a dualsocket opteron board..

he naturally bought 4gb ram for it, as it was quite cheap, and well.. always good to have. Then when he is about to install OS, he found that the systems ram corrupted up badly, and the machine crashed and hung up..

Upon investigation it seemed that nvidia had put in a little "easter egg" in the hardware.. if you attempt to use DMA on ATAPI devices, connected to the IDE controller, in conjunction with >=4gb ram, these things happen..

Very nice, dont you think?

oh but the fun doesent stop there.. i recall lots of issues.. my personal first was with my old old computer with nforce chipset, where the IDE controlled liked to kill IDE disks(known issue), then later hearing about nforce2 severe bus corruption, then weird issues when nvidia cards in plugged into machines, then i get issues with my 6600gt cards(and i hear of ALOT of people with these issues with 6600gt).. and these 6600gt issues are very "funny".. i will explain the story now..

I was using my computer, and noticed konqueror crashed, something, which it never did before. I thought: "well.. i suppose i can forgive it this time", but then i wanted to unpack a bzip2 file, when bzip2 complained about checksum errors.. i thought my ram was broken. However, i memtested, switched ram, and issues remained.. I then noticed after some time, that if i underclocked my 6600gt, the issues are gone (and it also hardlocks A TAD LESS). I reported my findings to the friends i have that are still on 6600gt, and now they too enjoy a more stable system after UNDERCLOCKING 6600gt...

well.. there are many more incidents.

You can say much about nvidia, they do have the best raw graphics performance, and the biggest market share, but thats also about all they have (well, and the biggest energy consumption ), they most certainly do not have a good track record. Especially when it comes to ram/bus weirdness, and generally other exceptionally spooky stuff..

Not to mention security bugs not fixed for years in the kernel module

but i suppose im just mumbling now
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Old 04-20-08, 10:49 PM   #20
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I think it's may be mouse's ps/2 cable corrupted or something like this. I want to try usb mouse..
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So the drivers were found not guilty? When was the trial? Was it on TV? And if they weren't guilty DIRECTLY then how were they involved in the lockups? It seems some truck drivers just can't be trusted....
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So the drivers were found not guilty? When was the trial? Was it on TV? And if they weren't guilty DIRECTLY then how were they involved in the lockups? It seems some truck drivers just can't be trusted....
Very funny
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btw who can explain WHY on 'nv' driver everything is fine, but on binary driver I have so unstable system? And why even the developers could not give clear response? Do not tell me about me "buggy hardware"!
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btw who can explain WHY on 'nv' driver everything is fine, but on binary driver I have so unstable system? And why even the developers could not give clear response? Do not tell me about me "buggy hardware"!
So what happens when you run at stock speeds?

There can be any number of reasons why the binary drivers cause or expose a problem, with or without them being at fault, starting with all kinds of timing questions.
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