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Old 04-22-08, 08:06 AM   #25
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btw who can explain WHY on 'nv' driver everything is fine, but on binary driver I have so unstable system? And why even the developers could not give clear response? Do not tell me about me "buggy hardware"!
buggy hardware.

The 'real' driver 'activates' hardware the nv driver never touches. And the system needs more power with the binary driver. And if your system is underpowered or the voltage regulators are **** or the PSU is dying or you have damaged caps somewhere, a slight increase in the current can make the difference between 'working' and 'crash'.
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Old 04-22-08, 07:17 PM   #26
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buggy hardware.

The 'real' driver 'activates' hardware the nv driver never touches. And the system needs more power with the binary driver. And if your system is underpowered or the voltage regulators are **** or the PSU is dying or you have damaged caps somewhere, a slight increase in the current can make the difference between 'working' and 'crash'.
Care to explain why I have no issues in Windows then? On the exact same computer...
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Old 04-22-08, 09:19 PM   #27
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Care to explain why I have no issues in Windows then? On the exact same computer...
There is nothing wrong with your hardware as there isn't for me either.

If these new drivers aren't guilty, then why does my system
NOT LOCKUP WITH 100.14.xx DRIVERS

I have gotten random lockups with every 169.xx and 17x.xx driver.
Why some people can't seem to accept the new drivers suck is just
mind boggling. This is starting to remind me of the BWB that took
nvidia a year to fix and introduce a new bug in the process...hmmm
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Old 04-22-08, 09:26 PM   #28
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linux is much more stressfull for hardware than windows.

and

you are overclocking. And problems of overclockers should be ignored by default.
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Old 04-22-08, 09:49 PM   #29
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linux is much more stressfull for hardware than windows.

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you are overclocking. And problems of overclockers should be ignored by default.
I haven't been OC anything since this problem cropped up.
Am not an idiot who didn't think about that when problems started happening.
I test every driver with NO OC. I test in KDE and Gnome, with and without
Compiz-Fusion. I have no problems and excellent performance with the older drivers.
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Old 04-23-08, 09:02 AM   #30
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linux is much more stressfull for hardware than windows.
I don't know about that....I used to have huge corruption issues with vista but not under linux. The reason was ultimately determined to be defective gpu and memory modules. The card was perfectly stable under ubuntu but failed and bsoded horribly in vista. The reason given to me was due to the aggressive hardware management under vista.

(of course this is vista, but if comparing to XP then you're probably right)
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Old 04-23-08, 10:45 AM   #31
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(of course this is vista, but if comparing to XP then you're probably right)
Probably no . I can't even play online games under xp, because it hangs after few minutes. I've tried many drivers etc. Under Linux everything is great.
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buggy hardware.

The 'real' driver 'activates' hardware the nv driver never touches. And the system needs more power with the binary driver. And if your system is underpowered or the voltage regulators are **** or the PSU is dying or you have damaged caps somewhere, a slight increase in the current can make the difference between 'working' and 'crash'.
This is nonsense. Anybody with a powermeter can tell you that power consumption (and hence heat) drops when you switch from the "nv" driver to the NVidia binary driver. The reason is that the NVidia driver actually activates power saving features, whereas the "nv" driver as provided by NVidia has no clue whatsoever how to do that.
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linux is much more stressfull for hardware than windows.
Rubbish. There is no base whatsoever for this claim, except in situations where lack of powersaving control in Linux leads to overheating. But that shouldn't lead to stability difference since the stability shouldn't be threatened even at maximum load on all hardware.

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you are overclocking. And problems of overclockers should be ignored by default.
True.

The real question is why the OP doesn't repeat the test after taking his clocks down to stock.
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This is nonsense. Anybody with a powermeter can tell you that power consumption (and hence heat) drops when you switch from the "nv" driver to the NVidia binary driver. The reason is that the NVidia driver actually activates power saving features, whereas the "nv" driver as provided by NVidia has no clue whatsoever how to do that.
Depends where you are measuring power from. If you're measuring power usage drawn from the gfx card then what you're saing is probably true. But If you're measuring from mains the extra power and heat might come from the cpu (which has to do most of the heavy lifting from the software fallbacks).

I was under the impression that the nv driver does practically nothing except outputting video (no acceleration). In which case the gpu is not required to do any complex operations hence no power usage.
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Depends where you are measuring power from. If you're measuring power usage drawn from the gfx card then what you're saing is probably true. But If you're measuring from mains the extra power and heat might come from the cpu (which has to do most of the heavy lifting from the software fallbacks).

I was under the impression that the nv driver does practically nothing except outputting video (no acceleration). In which case the gpu is not required to do any complex operations hence no power usage.
I have directly measured power consumption when changing nothing else than going from "nv" to NVidia's binary driver, with the computer being idle, displaying a boring non-GNOME/KDE desktop, using a powermeter before the PSU.

The graphics card was sucking much more power with the "nv" driver.

With no X11 started the power consumption is also much higher than with the NVidia driver. Very clearly some of the units in the graphics card are fired up by default and need driver support to control them down to powersaving mode.
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Old 04-23-08, 01:01 PM   #36
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If you're measuring before the psu (I assume that means between mains and psu) then it is probably the cpu doing all the work. Before X11 being started everything is rendered to the framebuffer, no nv or nvidia
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