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Old 04-24-08, 11:11 AM   #1
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Default ATI HD 3850 Users, AGP and PCI-E

I'd like this thread to be used to discuss the HD 3850, and the 3870 to a lesser extent.

I just bought a 2-slot Sapphire HD 3850 AGP. It'll be my second to last upgrade before I finally begrudgingly go to PCIe and a newer memory type.

Review links for reference:

An HD 3850 PCI-E review: http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi...pphire_hd3850/

An HD 3850 AGP Mini-Review:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...6565&Itemid=40

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Mwave has some refurb AGP 3850's for ~$149 right now. Damn good price.

Anyone else getting one/have one, and care to discuss this card and its benefits/drawbacks?
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Old 05-02-08, 05:50 PM   #2
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Default Re: ATI HD 3850 Users, AGP and PCI-E

Ok, so I got mine.. had some incompatibilities with my nforce3 motherboard and switched over to a K8T800 Pro mobo... and so far:

Some preliminary synthetic results and scaling information:

I also added some comparative 7800 GS benchmark data in the 3dmark 2006 section.


3dmark 03:

Total Scores:

Athlon 64 512k @ 200x9 (1.8ghz): 19712
Athlon 64 X2 2x512k @ 250x10 (2.5ghz): 24006

3dMark 2003 Individual Test Results:

Wings of Fury:

1 core 1.8ghz: 198.54
2 core 2.5ghz: 354.71

Battle of Proxycon:

1 core 1.8ghz: 182.53
2 core 2.5ghz: 229.0

Troll's Lair:

1 core 1.8ghz: 148.69
2 core 2.5ghz: 175.45

Mother Nature:

1 core 1.8ghz: 116.48
2 core 2.5ghz: 120.98

CPU Test 1:

1 core 1.8ghz: 76.09
2 core 2.5ghz: 105.22

CPU Test 2:

1 core 1.8ghz: 13.79
2 core 2.5ghz: 19.65

Fill Rate (Single Texturing):

1 core 1.8ghz: 5091.53 MT
2 core 2.5ghz: 5295.69 MT

Fill Rate (Multi Texturing):

1 core 1.8ghz: 10030.09 MT
2 core 2.5ghz: 10607.79 MT

Vertex Shader:

1 core 1.8ghz: 53.83
2 core 2.5ghz: 123.82

Pixel Shader 2.0:

1 core 1.8ghz: 216.83
2 core 2.5ghz: 223.51

Ragtroll:

1 core 1.8ghz: 78.73
2 core 2.5ghz: 130.49


3dmark 06:

Total Scores:

BONUS!! Results of my 7800 GS are included... benchmark was run at same clockspeed... different chipset (nforce3 vs. k8t800 pro) but basically the same system...

Athlon 64 512k @ 200x9 (1.8ghz): 4391
Athlon 64 X2 2x512k @ 250x10 (2.5ghz): 7228

-7800 GS- Athlon 64 X2 2x512k @ 250x10 (2.5ghz): 3689

SM2.0 Score:

1 core 1.8ghz: 2056
2 core 2.5ghz: 3201

7800GS 2 core 2.5ghz: 1452


SM3.0 Score:

1 core 1.8ghz: 2741
2 core 2.5ghz: 3275

7800GS 2 core 2.5ghz: 1411


CPU Score:
1 core 1.8ghz: 698
2 core 2.5ghz: 1799

7800GS 2 core 2.5ghz: 1784


3dMark 2006 Individual Test Results:

Return To Proxycon:

1 core 1.8ghz: 16.66
2 core 2.5ghz: 24.22

7800GS 2 core 2.5ghz: 11.51


Firefly Forest:

1 core 1.8ghz: 17.6
2 core 2.5ghz: 29.12

7800GS 2 core 2.5ghz: 12.69


CPU1 - Red Valley:

1 core 1.8ghz: 0.22
2 core 2.5ghz: 0.56

7800GS 2 core 2.5ghz: 0.57

CPU2 - Red Valley:

1 core 1.8ghz: 0.35
2 core 2.5ghz: 0.93

7800GS 2 core 2.5ghz: 0.9

Canyon Flight (SM 3.0):

1 core 1.8ghz: 31.15
2 core 2.5ghz: 32.49

7800GS 2 core 2.5ghz: 12.42


Deep Freeze (SM 3.0)

1 core 1.8ghz: 23.67
2 core 2.5ghz: 33.01

7800GS 2 core 2.5ghz: 15.81



...


FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH: I HAVE NOT YET INSTALLED THE AMD MULTIPLE CORE OPTIMIZATION.

...

So yeah, um, I'd say that:

#1 The card scales well with regards to clock speed and number of logical processors
#2 It appears that this card should really whomp the 7800 GS in real world gaming.

...

I'd imagine that HL2 with the Cinematic Mod should play smooth as butter on this rig now (EDIT: DAMN VISTA 32 BIT, CRASHES THIS MOD... GRR), as well as UT3 and Quake 4.

...

Yay! (so far)
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Old 05-07-08, 09:46 AM   #3
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Default Re: ATI HD 3850 Users, AGP and PCI-E

So Quake 4 and UT3 both play maxed out wonderfully on this card @ 1280x720, TAA+AAA+16xAF.

I loaded up 2 dx9 class demos - Prey and Serious Sam 2 and they both rewarded me with great IQ and frames as well.

Then I finally loaded up something aside from the monstrous HL2 mod that made my rig choke a bit... the Lost Planet DX 10 demo. At default settings everything was cool - 53fps in the snow, 37 during the second demo... but then I just had to turn motion blur, HDR and shadow quality up to high from the default medium, and well, it was too much for this single GPU GDDR-3 card. This was at stock clocks, however.

I can't tell yet what OC'ing the card is yielding me as far as frames per second, but I have recently attained 750/918 up from 668/828, inching a little closer to HD 3870 spec.

Reviews I have seen show that the RV670 scales quite well with regards to GPU and memory speeds, as there is quite a spread between the 3850 and 3870 in some games. I'll get some benchies ready to run and report my findings after I put them together.

I'll run benchmarks of:

UT3
Lost Planet DX 10
COJ Demo (If I can reliably benchmark with it)
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Old 05-07-08, 09:55 AM   #4
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Default Re: ATI HD 3850 Users, AGP and PCI-E

And worth noting are two multi-gpu 3850's from Asus...

This first one is simply a 3850 X2:

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/ASUS...Pics/5677.html

... and the Asus Trinity, however impractical, is the current record holder in 3dmark 2003:

http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=10827

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It appears to me that the RV670 series is proving to be quite versatile for AMD.
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Default Re: ATI HD 3850 Users, AGP and PCI-E

Yeah that seems like a really solid card for an AGP system. Prices don't seem to bad either surprisingly. I remember when the 7800GS AGP was like $100 more than the PCI-E version.
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Default Re: ATI HD 3850 Users, AGP and PCI-E

Wow. This is one hell of a triumph for users still on AGP. I'm pleasantly shocked.
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Default Re: ATI HD 3850 Users, AGP and PCI-E

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Wow. This is one hell of a triumph for users still on AGP. I'm pleasantly shocked.
I am too. Of course I'll be able to make this rig choke (it's not a C2D and it's not multi-gpu) on a few things but it i very nice that so far this cpu/gpu combo, however legacy i might be, is manhandling just about everything I throw at it plus AA and AF.

I can also run at true 720p (1280x720 or 1360x768) rez with this gpu, my nv cards no matter what I did in the CP all forced me into weird custom scaled resolutions that all required me to change config files of games by hand.
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Default Re: ATI HD 3850 Users, AGP and PCI-E

... Just ordered my 2nd PowerColor HD 3850 to go with my other Asus A8V Deluxe.

Worth noting is the fact that I also just got some higher bandwidth ram (3gb OCZ Gold) and an Opteron 165... so I'm gonna bench the media rig again after the upgrades and see if the 1st HD 3850 I bought scales any further.
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... Just ordered my 2nd PowerColor HD 3850 to go with my other Asus A8V Deluxe.

Worth noting is the fact that I also just got some higher bandwidth ram (3gb OCZ Gold) and an Opteron 165... so I'm gonna bench the media rig again after the upgrades and see if the 1st HD 3850 I bought scales any further.
I have an Asus a8v eluxe as well. Would you mind posting or emailing an update on how it runs? I've read that the powerecolor 3850 hasn't done well with the via K8T800. I, too, want to make one last effort before the big change to a PCI-E system, but am not sure if I should go with a x1650, 2600xt or 3850 to replace my 9700 aiw.

I would like a Nvidia card. Had a 6800gt that died and I couldn't get it RMA'd, but most 7800 cards are just as much as a 3850.
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Default Re: ATI HD 3850 Users, AGP and PCI-E

I've been reading reviews for a week trying to decide between the elusive nVidia 7800 GS OC for linux support and the HD 3850 for actual gaming.

this thread helped me make up my mind.... realizing that the 7800 is about the same price... and really nowhere close in framerates. Here's hoping that AMD gets me some drivers so i can play games in linux.... but for now, i'll be getting this card... and it looks like i'll be sticking with windows (maybe even vista for DX 10)
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Default Re: ATI HD 3850 Users, AGP and PCI-E

Ok please don't laff!

I am looking to upgrade from my GF3 Ti200 and of course need an AGP card. I have a P4 3Ghz....

Looking at: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...IN#detailspecs

Comments? Anything I need to know. Better way to go, ect...

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