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Old 05-06-03, 04:24 AM   #25
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Everyone speaks of bad IQ.
hummm... it's funny how I cannot tell any difference in the radeon and 5800 with the naked eye.

Yes Mr HB we kiss the Radeons @ss.
The only problem I have with the FX is the screensaver OH problem.

"Fact" some fanboyz give a good product a bad light.
"Fact" any site like THG etc that test these cards that has
the ultra winning is a sh!t site to the fanboyz of the other product.
"Fact" on "MY" system the 5800 is just about as fast as my Pro was.
"Fact" my 3DM01 and 03 scores are 1000 points higher with the Ultra with the same settings."IQ"

Don't get me wrong I LOVE the Radeon. It's a better card in most cases.
I hate to see people bashing a card that they do not even own.
The ultra is a wonderful, fast, mean looking card.

This reminds me of the 8500. The shoe is on the other foot.
The NV owners bashed the hell out of us 8500 owners to begain with. Then better drivers really helped out.
Plus everyone and his brothers uncle does not own one.
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Old 05-06-03, 04:50 AM   #26
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Everyone speaks of bad IQ.
hummm... it's funny how I cannot tell any difference in the radeon and 5800 with the naked eye.

Yes Mr HB we kiss the Radeons @ss.
The only problem I have with the FX is the screensaver OH problem.

"Fact" some fanboyz give a good product a bad light.
"Fact" any site like THG etc that test these cards that has
the ultra winning is a sh!t site to the fanboyz of the other product.
"Fact" on "MY" system the 5800 is just about as fast as my Pro was.
"Fact" my 3DM01 and 03 scores are 1000 points higher with the Ultra with the same settings."IQ"

Don't get me wrong I LOVE the Radeon. It's a better card in most cases.
I hate to see people bashing a card that they do not even own.
The ultra is a wonderful, fast, mean looking card.

This reminds me of the 8500. The shoe is on the other foot.
The NV owners bashed the hell out of us 8500 owners to begain with. Then better drivers really helped out.
Plus everyone and his brothers uncle does not own one.
Uhm... considering I am not arguing against you (I agree with you), who are you arguing with ( other than fanboys )?
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Old 05-06-03, 04:53 AM   #27
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Uhm... considering I am not arguing against you (I agree with you), who are you arguing with ( other than fanboys )?
I'm just saying it before all the fanboyz jump in. hehehe
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Old 05-06-03, 06:04 AM   #28
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Yeah right.. sure it beats the 9700pro.

Especially when you engineer the Settings to favor Nvidia. How convenient for you'all that there are so many unscroupulous web sites out there eh??

And thats not even getting into the *FACT* that Nvidias 4x AA is totally and completely inferior in every concievable way.
um...according to the review they used Quality(Application). Now you're saying that Application isn't good enough?

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were they using application for both aa and af?

if not the comparison is far from being fair.

for example unless app if used with 8x af then trilinear isn't being forced.

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Same thing as above.

They say they used Quality on the test setup page right here: http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Inno3D/FX5800/page3.htm
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I was noticing the AGP settings on page 3.
Where is it? I cannot seem to find the agp setting.
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Old 05-06-03, 11:20 AM   #30
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um...according to the review they used Quality(Application). Now you're saying that Application isn't good enough?



Same thing as above.

They say they used Quality on the test setup page right here: http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Inno3D/FX5800/page3.htm
could be wrong but i thought when they changed the settings to match ats naming system, they didnt include an option for application mode, wasnt that why hardcop says these drivers are a scam or soemthing
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Old 05-06-03, 11:26 AM   #31
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Bk, Im not the fanboy here... That should be obvious... Anyonelike you who *Claims* to not see a Difference in the AA+AF of the 9700pro is simply not stating the truth for your own personal motivations. A.KA. = Fanboy.

You guys only scratched the tip of the issues with that conclusion...
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Inno3D Tornado GeForce FX 5800 is not the best performing card you can find out there in the market especially with Radeon 9800 Pro cards around. Even Radeon 9700 Pro cards can offer better gaming performance at similar price point at the current moment. However, there are already some evidences that next generation games like Doom III will be able to perform better on NV30 architecture and also the games written on Cg programming will be able to utilize the engine to the fullest. Definitely, there are a number of consumers out there who prefer to stick with NVIDIA based cards for better compatibilities with games. Inno3D Tornado GeForce FX 5800 card can be overclocked to a GeForce FX 5800 Ultra version at 500/1000Mhz core/mem easily but any higher is limited by the current cooler design. Definitely, the performance of the card was improved dramatically from the higher core/mem clock and will be able to outperform the Radeon 9700 Pro this time.
Again the ridiculous mention of Doom-III. which we all know only runs a few % faster on the Nv30 (in the current un-released version) becuase JC has a lot of special code paths that REDUCE QUALITY. Yes these A-Holes never seem to remebmer to mention that. The fact of the matter is that Future games are going to run like **** on the Nv30 becuase of its hardware issues. Unless of course like in the case of Doom-III and Stalker the Developer babysits the Nv30 and gives it special Ed like handouts.

Of course there are cases where the FXUltra is faster. Especially where its Core speed advantage of 175mhz comes into play.
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Stealthhawk..

Dont you Nv types even know your own hardware? and whats going on with your drivers???

Quality mode in all current Nvidia Drivers = Ballanced mode. Which Clamps several texture stages to Bilinear Filtering, Cuts out some Blend stages etc..

The reason why this is different than Atis approach is this. You Nvtypes are always pointing out how ATi's method Shanks the AF at really odd bizzare almost never seen angles like 22.5 DEgrees. When the entire time you are so completely foolish becuase Nvidias Method shanks ALL ANGLES. As I have pointed out over and over Anisotropic filtering was never intended nor appropriate for all angles. Primarily 90' and some others. This is a mathematical principle that is true even outside the graphics world. Thus ATi's method *is* the correct approach. AS it deals correctly with the problem of Anistopy as it exsists. Whereas Nvidias method is one to hack the Filtering in several ways even on the primary angle of 90'.
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becuase JC has a lot of special code paths that REDUCE QUALITY.
Got a link on that?
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Got a link on that?
This is very public knowledge from his last major .plan update...
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hellbinder is right
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the quality setting in nv drivers is "application" or "quality" in the new drivers.

QUALITY MODE IS WHAT THE NV30 DEFAULTS TO.
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