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Old 05-15-08, 10:34 AM   #1
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Default CPU upgrade advice needed

Hi guys. This has probably been asked before but I need to ask it again.

I am planning to upgrade my cpu in July.

My choices are the e8400 or q6600. Price range is about the same give or take R100.

I don't think the e8500 is worth the extra R800 for 0.16ghz

Also the mobo doesn't support the newer quads so that's a no go.

Which one would be the better option. Bare in mind this pc is mostly used for rpg gaming with the odd bit of overclocking. Some rts and fps gaming but mostly rpgs.
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Old 05-15-08, 10:44 AM   #2
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Whenever/if ever you can, go quad. If you can't go quad, pick cache size over clock speed. RTS games are damn heavy on cpu and cache resources, and all newer and upcoming RTS games aree optimized or will be optimized soon to take advantage of as many cores as possible.

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Old 05-15-08, 01:05 PM   #3
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get the e8400 its better for gaming.

the quad core is only better for encoding decoding etc. games dont use 4 cores so its useless as of now...
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I have been taring my hair out as to what to do myself, i used to play alot of Supreme commander but anything more then 1 an AI bring the game to a crawl been thinking of 4 CPU's to get either the E8400 (£130) the Q6600 G0 (£135) the Q9300 (£170) or the Q9450 (£230) there has been mixed reports on FSB overclock with my current ASUS P5N-D as much as SSE4 provides a boost in content with support i am wondering if the E8400 @ 4GHz will be faster then say a Q6600 @ 3.6GHz in Supreme Commander. I can reach 100% CPU useage with my E4300 @ 3.2GHz so i know thats my limiting factor in my System. The Q9300 & Q9450 is at the back of my mind as i am not sure if i can get the FSB high enough for the Q9450 due ot it's low multiplier. Another CPU i was intrested in was the E7200 also but mixed bags on overclocking there as some people can hit 4GHz others only 3.5GHz, the FSB does not always overclock as high.
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games dont use 4 cores so its useless as of now...
Q:
What happens when a new Command and Conquer or Civilization game comes out?

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It'll utilize all possible cores.
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Old 05-15-08, 04:32 PM   #6
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What happens when a new Command and Conquer or Civilization game comes out?

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OK a few Games. But what about the 100's of games that are already in place that don't use 4 quads. Don't get me wrong I know the future is 4 Quads but thats way down the road. I still think the E8400 is a better choice for what he wants and will be fine for the next year or so if money is tight for him. Look at the benchmarks and comparisons on the net the Q6600 loses.

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000942.html
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Old 05-15-08, 04:41 PM   #7
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OK a few Games. But what about the 100's of games that are already in place that don't use 4 quads. Don't get me wrong I know the future is 4 Quads but thats way down the road. I still think the E8400 is a better choice for what he wants and will be fine for the next year or so if money is tight for him. Look at the benchmarks and comparisons on the net the Q6600 loses.
Developers didn’t decide to write 2 threads of code all of a sudden, they decided to write code that could take advantage of as many cores that were available.

xbox360 = 3 cores playstation 3 = 8 cores. even the console games are being developed this way.
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Developers didn’t decide to write 2 threads of code all of a sudden, they decided to write code that could take advantage of as many cores that were available.

xbox360 = 3 cores playstation 3 = 8 cores. even the console games are being developed this way.
Your right. I should have worded it differently. Code is written to take advantage of as many cores possible.

I still don't see an advantage from a faster Core 2 than a slower Quad Core, but I guess only time will tell and prove me wrong.
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Old 05-15-08, 05:45 PM   #9
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I'd still buy my Q6600 if I had it to do over again. They do 3.0GHz on stock voltage with the stock cooler with zero problems. I do things other than game though, so quad is more viable for me. If you're getting a chip to keep a while go quad because more games will take advantage of it in the future. The E8400 will likely clock higher when we are talking max, and both will do 3.6GHz with little problems. I think a Q6600 @ 3.0-3.6GHz is plenty of support for any card on the market. On P35 mine will do 3.6GHz by boosting the vcore alone. I don't need to touch another voltage setting on the board.

I think you'd be happy with either and I feel the quad is a better long term choice.

Running OC data collection from users @ XS that includes the Q6600 G-0-
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...61&postcount=2

If you do deal with a lot of media apps you may want to look @ a Q9450. At the same clock in certain applications Yorkfield quads are 20 to almost 30% faster-

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu..._11.html#sect1

In games @ 1024x it is less than 1% to +7%-

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu..._11.html#sect0

Below is an example of what things will look like when more games use Quad like LP-
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/507/lp2ud0.png
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FWIW,I'm planning on going dual 8500 for my next system. The applications that I care about (gaming) today work better on a faster dual than quad. If I were doing video work or knew I had applications that utilized quad, I'd go that way. I just don't see that yet for what I want to do. I also like the lower power (less heat) of dual vs quad.
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get the e8400 its better for gaming.

the quad core is only better for encoding decoding etc. games dont use 4 cores so its useless as of now...
I'll bet in one year you will regret saying that, if not less then. Quad would be the way to go for future reference. Games will and are using quads now even so 4 is better then 2 logic says.
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I'll bet in one year you will regret saying that, if not less then. Quad would be the way to go for future reference. Games will and are using quads now even so 4 is better then 2 logic says.
People said this last year and I think the demand for dual cores has actually increased since then.

Its really looking like we're going to see more GPU accelerated physics than quad core optimized games.

No doubt, more cores is better, but you also get more heat, less overclocking head room, more power consumption and higher cost.

Its really hard to beat a CPU that costs $200 and can easily hit 4Ghz for gaming price vs. performance.

Maybe next year things will be different, but I think we're more likely to see more CPU load shifted to the GPU than a huge increase in quad core support.
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