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Old 06-04-08, 07:22 PM   #1
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Default Intel won't let Nvidia make Nehalem chipsets

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Nvidia's Director or PR, Derek Perez, has told Fudzilla that Intel actually won't let Nvidia make its Nforce chipset that will work with Intel's Nehalem generation of processors.

We confirmed this from Intel’s side, as well as other sources. Intel told us that there won't be an Nvidia's chipset for Nehalem. Nvidia will call this a „dispute between companies that they are trying to solve privately“ but we believe it's much more than that.

We all know that Jensen, Nvidia’s CEO, officially stated that Intel stepped over the edge with its comments about Nvidia. Ever since Nvidia entered the chipset license with Intel, Graphzilla was concerned with Intel's history of competing, and they would be naive not to.

If you are old enough, you will remember that Intel killed VIA’s Pentium chipset business even though VIA had a legitimate license. Intel was cool towards Nvidia until recently, up until the point when Intel realized that graphics card might be used for more than gaming and after Nvidia’s bold decision to keep SLI for itself. It was a tough decision to go against Intel but if Intel got the SLI for its X58 chipset or any previous Intel’s chipset, business will be good as dead, or things would get much tougher then they are.

At this point Intel simply doesn’t want to honour its commitments toward he chipset license deal.

Nvidia has confirmed that it is officially becoming a victim of what VIA, AMD and many other companies have felt for a long time, as Intel tends to repress competition when threatened by superior products and technologies.

Nvidia is not the cleanest player around, but without a Nehelem chipset their chipset business unit might actually suffer some heavy losses, and obviously this is not what Nvidia wants.

Despite the fact that Nvidia has a license, Intel simply decided to cut Nvidia off. Intel is playing dirty as Nvidia is the only company that has something that Intel really wants, and cannot get.

It’s a catch 22 situation as Nvdia wants SLI support for itself while Intel would love to get SLI for its Nehalem chipset but Nvidia refuses to give it away.

Intel was always the bully and they simply won't let Nvidia make Nehalem chipsets, which is not really fair and honest way of playing the game. At least Jensen and the rest of Nvidia are not sitting and waiting for mercy; they are all locked and loaded for the biggest fight of their careers.

Let’s not forget that Nvidia said that “Intel's attempt to unilaterally and publicly interpret a contract between the two companies is unprecedented and unsupportable both legally and commercially.”

This Nvidia vs Intel dispute is simply becoming more interesting by the hour.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=7713&Itemid=1
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Old 06-04-08, 08:15 PM   #2
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They both suck , we don't get SLI with intel chipset and nvidia woun't get Nehalem , consumers loose.
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Old 06-04-08, 08:16 PM   #3
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I hate corporate pissing contests. But if Intel truly is playing dirty I hope they are taken down a few notches this time around.
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Old 06-04-08, 09:05 PM   #4
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I have a few beefs with this.

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Nvidia has confirmed that it is officially becoming a victim of what VIA, AMD and many other companies have felt for a long time, as Intel tends to repress competition when threatened by superior products and technologies.
nForce is utter ass compared to Intel chipsets, with SLI being their ONLY advantage. Superior my ass.

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This is a huge mistake on Intel's part, IMO. If they do this, they get no SLI support for their processors, meaning that anyone who wants to run an SLI rig would absolutely have to go AMD. While this won't affect Intel's mobo business, it will reduce sales of their CPUs.
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Old 06-04-08, 09:33 PM   #5
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This is a huge mistake on Intel's part, IMO. If they do this, they get no SLI support for their processors, meaning that anyone who wants to run an SLI rig would absolutely have to go AMD. While this won't affect Intel's mobo business, it will reduce sales of their CPUs.
I don't think SLI is the thing that sells motherboards. What % of rigs are actually using SLI right now? The situation is bad for consumers, but it is also bad for nVidia because they can't sell chip sets. nVidia will still sell cards (maybe a few less because of no SLI) but Intel probably won't see a change in their CPU sales.
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Old 06-04-08, 10:32 PM   #6
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I don't think SLI is the thing that sells motherboards. What % of rigs are actually using SLI right now? The situation is bad for consumers, but it is also bad for nVidia because they can't sell chip sets. nVidia will still sell cards (maybe a few less because of no SLI) but Intel probably won't see a change in their CPU sales.
While SLI doesn't sell the majority of motherboards, it's the only advantage nFarce mobos have, and thus, a large portion of NV's sales. Those who want an SLI mobo would have to go AMD, thus cutting out Intel's CPUs.

It would be small margins, but it's still a loss.
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i think what they meant by "superior" is that Intel is a bit scared of stuff like CUDA and Tegra.

GPU with CUDA can be a lot more efficient than best Intel CPU, and well Tegra from what we been hearing is a lot better then Atom. Nvidia needs to get X86 license would be interesting to see what they could do with Tegra chips

this could be simply Intels plan to hinder Nvidia, to make it easier for their Intels new video card venture
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GPU with CUDA can be a lot more efficient than best Intel CPU, and well Tegra from what we been hearing is a lot better then Atom. Nvidia needs to get X86 license would be interesting to see what they could do with Tegra chips
Yes Tegra seem much better than Atom, only thing Nvidia need is write x86 translation software to do x86 decode like Transmeta did with their x86 code morphing software. What I find really very interesting when I searched for Transmeta's x86 licence everywhere and in Transmeta's annual reports, here are no mention of Intel x86 license but Transmeta did licensed AMD's x86-64 and HyperTransport technologies.

Maybe Nvidia do not need x86 license to write x86 translation software.
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Yes Tegra seem much better than Atom, only thing Nvidia need is write x86 translation software to do x86 decode like Transmeta did with their x86 code morphing software. What I find really very interesting when I searched for Transmeta's x86 licence everywhere and in Transmeta's annual reports, here are no mention of Intel x86 license but Transmeta did licensed AMD's x86-64 and HyperTransport technologies.

Maybe Nvidia do not need x86 license to write x86 translation software.
Uhh, how do you mean, "better" than Atom? Tegra isn't x86 and isn't even close in terms of performance. Kinda limits it to cell phone/pda.
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Uhm, I'm not buying a nVidia chipset for a long time - thing took like 3 months to get stable.

nVidia needs however, to let Intel use SLI - and I honestly hope Intel agrees to let nVidia make chipsets if they get a SLI license. Competition in MB market is good for us (even though I won't buy NV's chipset as said previously).
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Uhh, how do you mean, "better" than Atom? Tegra isn't x86 and isn't even close in terms of performance. Kinda limits it to cell phone/pda.
It could run x86 with the right software..

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I hate corporate pissing contests. But if Intel truly is playing dirty I hope they are taken down a few notches this time around.
Yeah, this is a situation where no-one wins, including the end user. It think this could just be the start of things to come if they don't see sence and start coming to some agreement, which is not likely to happen. I can see things getting out of hand, with both companies competing with new hardware.

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