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Old 06-07-08, 02:18 PM   #1
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Hello all, I'm speccing out a new computer for some smooth gaming, possibly Crysis style. How are these specs?

Intel Core 2 Duo 3.16 GHz - 6Mb L2 cache - $269.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115036

Intel Core 2 Quad 2.66 GHz - 12Mb L2 cache - $339.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...5042&Tpk=Q9450

So for about $70 more I get double the cores.

EVGA NVidia nForce Motherboard - SLI, ATX - $189.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188026

2 GeForce 8800 GT 512mb - $179.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814143118

4 Gigs DDR2 1066 Ram
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Old 06-07-08, 04:53 PM   #2
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FWIW, I'm going w/ dual core 8500, non-sli, 4G DDR2, Vista64, and waiting for the next gen video cards later this month, although they'll be more than what you are currently planning on spending.
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Old 06-07-08, 07:27 PM   #3
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Intel Core 2 Duo 3.16 GHz - 6Mb L2 cache - $269.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115036

Intel Core 2 Quad 2.66 GHz - 12Mb L2 cache - $339.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...5042&Tpk=Q9450
Go with the quad core if you plan to keep the rig for at least 2 years, otherwise, go with the dual-core. Also, save yourself some money and get the E8400, or Q6600 instead. They're noticably cheaper ($190/$210 respectively), are clocked only slightly slower, and have plenty of headroom for an OC.

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EVGA NVidia nForce Motherboard - SLI, ATX - $189.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188026
I'm not a fan of nForce motherboards, but they are they only route for SLI. I'd recommend considering a cheaper and more stable Intel P35 board, but then you pretty much lose a lot of the OCing ability I mentioned earlier.

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2 GeForce 8800 GT 512mb - $179.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814143118
SLI doesn't scale in every game, and the GT260 should be out in less than two weeks at $450 retail. If you plan to wait at least two weeks, I'd recommend one of these instead, with that extra cash you'd save on my CPU recommendation. Might also further justify the non-SLI Intel board

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I made a mistake here. Save yourself $90 and get Home Premium. All Ultimate really offers is Hold'em and Dreamscene. I've never touched the former, and the latter was all of maybe 30 seconds of "cool, now let me turn that off."
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Old 06-07-08, 07:45 PM   #4
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Sweet, thanks for the tips. I'm assuming the GT 260 is going to be worth the $450? In the end, switching to what you recommend with the GT 260 saves me money.

I have another q, when it comes to cooling a system I am mostly lost. I know to just have sufficient flow through the box and not have everything crammed together. I should be fine with the Intel proc, I know they run pretty cool. Do I need to buy extra fans, or does it mostly depend on the case I get?
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Old 06-07-08, 07:56 PM   #5
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Sweet, thanks for the tips. I'm assuming the GT 260 is going to be worth the $450? In the end, switching to what you recommend with the GT 260 saves me money.

I have another q, when it comes to cooling a system I am mostly lost. I know to just have sufficient flow through the box and not have everything crammed together. I should be fine with the Intel proc, I know they run pretty cool. Do I need to buy extra fans, or does it mostly depend on the case I get?
I think the GTX 260 is definitely a better choice than 8800 GT SLI. I would imagine the SLI config would provide higher performance in *some* games, but the issues that come with SLI can be very frustrating and in some cases result in stuttering, driver crashes, etc. The 448-bit memory bus of the 260 along with the added memory (8800GT SLI would only have 512MB usable vram) will serve you better in the long run and allow for performance surpassing the 8800 Ultra, probably by a decent amount too.

The SLI board is a rather mute point at this stage, depending on your upgrade path, as Intel has confirmed that Nvidia will not be allowed to make nforce boards supporting their new Nehalem processors due late this year. Investing in SLI with either 8800 GT's or GTX 260's could end up being a waste if you plan on upgrading to Nehalem because Nvidia doesn't want to allow SLI on Intel boards; The 2.66Ghz variant will cost about the same as the Q9450 upon release, and offer about 40% more performance clock for clock. If you aren't considering Nehalem, then the 750i is an ok choice ONLY if you are seriously considering SLI and staying on the socket 775 platform for the life of the video card you choose. Otherwise, I would recommend a good P35 board which can be had for about the same price, and should OC well, possibly even better than the nforce board when using a quad core. It's only the low price budget P35's with limited feature sets that limit overclocking, and even then they would probably be more then enough.

The need for extra fans does depend heavily on the case you choose. Some cases are designed more efficiently than others, and thus require less fans to be effective. Many manufacturers only include 1 or 2 fans in their cases, but don't advertise that, only the number of fans supported. If you are OC'ing, then you probably want to buy as many fans as your case will allow, and make sure you have an equal (or close to equal) number of fans pulling and pushing, evenly distributed throughout. This will ensure that fresh (hopefully cool) air will pass over all of the components and then be blown out of the case and carry the heat with it. Stock CPU coolers are not sufficient for OC'ing, and I would recommend a decent 3rd party cooler regardless.
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Old 06-08-08, 12:48 AM   #6
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The HD 4870 looks like a good option.
http://www.guru3d.com/news/ati-radeo...hmark-results/

EDIT: I just noticed these aren't confirmed. But the ATI card does look like another good option for me. Remember, I want to be able to run Crysis with decent settings at 1680x1200.
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The HD 4870 looks like a good option.
http://www.guru3d.com/news/ati-radeo...hmark-results/

EDIT: I just noticed these aren't confirmed. But the ATI card does look like another good option for me. Remember, I want to be able to run Crysis with decent settings at 1680x1200.
Best bet is to wait until the cards release, for some comparisons. All indications are that the 4870 and even 4870x2 are going to be excellent cards. ATI is looking good now, hopefully they don't disappoint.
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Old 06-09-08, 12:14 PM   #8
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I have another question...mostly to stop my worrying. I currently have the following build:

Pentium 4 3GHz Hyper-Threaded
Radeon 9500 Pro / 9700 (Not quite sure what that means)
1 Gig of Ram

How much of a speed boost do you think I will get? I have worry inside of me about the possibility of there not being much improvement(This is windows after all) but then again, this computer is at least 2 or 3 years old and I'm surprised its still going strong(Can play CoD2 decently...DX7 tho).
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I have another question...mostly to stop my worrying. I currently have the following build:

Pentium 4 3GHz Hyper-Threaded
Radeon 9500 Pro / 9700 (Not quite sure what that means)
1 Gig of Ram

How much of a speed boost do you think I will get? I have worry inside of me about the possibility of there not being much improvement(This is windows after all) but then again, this computer is at least 2 or 3 years old and I'm surprised its still going strong(Can play CoD2 decently...DX7 tho).
OMG dude - night and day difference in a lot of areas.
Since you can get 2x2GB (4GB) for $84 right now I'd grab two sets of that and get a ($100) OEM copy of Vista x64.

I'd go with the Q6600 as well. The E8400 (same price) will do a little bit better in games but the desktop/applications boost you'll get from the Q6600 outweighs that slight advantage (IMHO).
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I had a P4 2.4, 512MB RAM, and Radeon 9800Pro. I upgraded to A64 X2 2.0ghz, 2GB RAM, and 7900GTO, and the difference was obscene. I then upgraded to Intel Q6600, 4GB RAM, and 9600GT. Again, an obscene difference. So if you're liking going to see a 2x obscene difference

As for the 9500/9700 Pro, it means you have a 9500Pro that can possibly be softmodded with drivers into a 9700pro by unlocking the pipelines. That would potentially double your GPU speed. It's an appreciable difference.
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Old 06-10-08, 06:33 PM   #11
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sweet, sounds good to me!
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Old 06-10-08, 10:09 PM   #12
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So I was gonna go for the Q6600...but is there a reason for me to get a quad core? I don't do any music encoding or anything like that so I wouldn't really use it at all. I can get a 3ghz Dual Core with a 1333 FSB, 49mm using a lot less electricity and a lot less heat for $20 less.

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400
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