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Old 08-04-08, 10:40 AM   #241
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Actually it does not. All of the results in the chart are that GTX260 with the big overclock as far as I can tell.

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I stand corrected. The egielda.com reviews does, like you said, only include the OC'd 260. That said, the OC Club review includes both, and the results are much like I stated earlier. For instance, CoD 4 benches:

http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi...a_gtx260/9.htm

Note that they have the EVGA 260 and EVGA 260 OC on the chart. The 4870 gets beaten far more than it did in mid-to-late June.

Edit: It looks like in that Egielda review, they're using a highly OC'd 4870.
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Old 08-04-08, 11:28 AM   #242
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Or more accurately has to do with the fact that they are using a very overclocked GTX260 that is clocked faster than the eVGA FTW edition. Which is the fastest factory overclocked GTX260 on the shelf today.


They borked the DX10 AA benchies of Bioshock by excluding the 4870. It does have AA in Bioshock DX10. At least as far as I can tell.



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actually the 4870 is also highly OC'ed so the review is fair. OC'ed card vs OC'ed card

they have not borked Bioshock benchmark. in the review they did write that AA in DX10 version of Bioshock simply didn't work for ATI card.

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Just like they had big problems with enabling AA in Double Agent on nvidia card.
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Old 08-04-08, 11:35 AM   #243
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I stand corrected. The egielda.com reviews does, like you said, only include the OC'd 260. That said, the OC Club review includes both, and the results are much like I stated earlier. For instance, CoD 4 benches:

http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi...a_gtx260/9.htm

Note that they have the EVGA 260 and EVGA 260 OC on the chart. The 4870 gets beaten far more than it did in mid-to-late June.

Edit: It looks like in that Egielda review, they're using a highly OC'd 4870.
Ya I noted that the 4870 is also overclocked in Egielda's review in my reply. Wait for the HIS ICEQ4 4870 and we might see better overclocks on the 4870 as those were not that special TBH.

Now. Just remember the card in the Overclocker Club review is possibly the fastest factory overclocked GTX260 you can buy. Oops. eVGA just released the COPPER version HC. How many friggan GTX260's do we need?! This is one brand. Hahahaha. So the FTW GTX260 is indeed a very good card.

But still not the standard GTX260 that we have seen tested previously. What you might be witnessing in some other reviews is a stock GTX260. Now I'm sure that there is some improvement in drivers since those reviews, however, the real culprit is more likely the higher clocks in both reviews you meantion. It's tricky but look closely at the OCClub review.

Keep in mind looking at eVGA's product line up below that the Overclockers Club is reviewing the eVGA FTW edition card... The blue bar in the charts. This does not necisarily represent most GTX260's and certainly explains the pereformance difference seen in previous reviews. there is no standard GTX260 in their review.

EVGA GTX260 Standard Edition = 576/2000 (Many reviews used this clocked version)
EVGA GTX260 Superclocked Edition = 602/2052
EVGA GTX260 SSC Edition = 626/2106
EVGA GTX260 FTW Edition = 666/2214 This is the reviewed card in Overclockers Club review.
EVGA GTX260 in Egielda's review = 675/2232 This is the reviewed card in Egielda's review.
EVGA GTX260 HC (Copper plate) Edition = 684/2214


My only problem with this is that it starts to create some confusion. Alot of buyers will peruse a review like that and think WOW! Look at the GTX260 overtaking the 4870 and even the 280 (like in the OCClub review) and then they run out and buy a basic, more abundant and less expensive model thinking they got the same card when they in fact have not. Hahahaha. eVGA gets the pick of the bin and then they get to push the card to it's limits but certainly not indicative of the standard GTX260's out there. Oh and the FTW and other overclocked editions cost more than the standard 260's as well in many cases.

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they have not borked Bioshock benchmark. in the review they did write that AA in DX10 version of Bioshock simply didn't work for ATI card.
Interresting. I have AA in DX10 Bioshock. I am pretty sure I do. Guess I will have to check it again later to be sure but I am almost certain as the doods over at Rage told me it was working now and I checked myself to make sure they were not fibbing.

I'll get back to you on that.

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Old 08-04-08, 12:07 PM   #245
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I can provide a little bit of light on this matter with the HD4870 vs the GTX 260 because I have owned both and have decided to go with the GTX 260.

In my own personal testing (both highly overclocked as I had the HD 4870 running at 870mhz core and 4400 mhz mem using AMD GPU tool with a high cfm fan attached to the card, and using Riva Tuner I have the GTX 260 running at 750mhz core, 1550 shader and 2600 mem.) For some reason the OC did not do as much for the HD 4870 as I thought it should have, this could be a driver issue though.

Now to start the HD 4870 and GTX 260 are both a really nice cards but the deal breaker for me was the higher min FPS accross the board in all my games with the GTX 260. Now this could also be a driver issue for the 4870, im not really sure but either way I just like the consistency that the 260 provides while gaming.

A little comparison as to what I found (I have since then upgraded to a Quad core cpu so I will compare my results as to when I had my E6300@3.4ghz)-

FEAR 1680X1050 4XAA and 16XAF all settings maxed.

GTX 260 min 85fps HD 4870 min 55fps
Average and Peak FPS were also a good bit higher on the 260



Bioshock 1680X1050 Maxed in game settings DX10 16XAF no AA

GTX 260 Min 84 HD 4870 min 58 fps

Bioshock 1680X1050 DX9 4XAA 16XAF maxed in game settings

GTX 260 Min 59 HD 4870 Min 35, again the max and average were better on the 260

Mass Effect 1680X1050 Maxed settings No AA 16XAF

Citadel Level------GTX 260 pegged at 60FPS HD 4870 seemed to fluctuat from 40-50fps

Since getting my Quad core CPU I have tested the GTX 260 with 4XAA again in the citadel and get 55-60fps, I never got to test the 4870 With AA but I would assume the FPS would drop a bit since this game is also using the UE3 engine like Bioshock.


Oblivion 1680X1050 4XAA 16XAF all options set to max.

GTX 260 56fps in the thick foilage HD4870 60+fps in the thick foilage.......HD 4870 is a bit faster here.


Two Worlds 1680X1050 4XAA 16XAF all settings at max

GTX 260 60fps in the outside areas HD 4870 35-40fps in the outside areas........Im sure this is just drivers for ATI.



Half Life EP2 1680X1050 8XMSAA 16XAF all settings at max.

Pretty much a tie between the two cards with just slightly better mins on the 260.


Crysis I will not mention, the game seems to run better on Nvidia hardware anyway and just flys along on my GTX 260 even with AA enabled. The HD 4870 did not do well here at all but again im sure its just driver optimizations.



Overall both are great cards but I feel the HD 4870 is being held back by drivers at the moment, the HD 4870 is a very complex piece of hardware and needs a great set of drivers in order to see its true potential.
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Old 08-04-08, 12:10 PM   #246
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Interresting. I have AA in DX10 Bioshock. I am pretty sure I do. Guess I will have to check it again later to be sure but I am almost certain as the doods over at Rage told me it was working now and I checked myself to make sure they were not fibbing.

I'll get back to you on that.

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I could never get it to work and neither can my friend with his 4870 using the 8.7 driver.
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Old 08-04-08, 12:33 PM   #247
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But still not the standard GTX260 that we have seen tested previously. What you might be witnessing in some other reviews is a stock GTX260. Now I'm sure that there is some improvement in drivers since those reviews, however, the real culprit is more likely the higher clocks in both reviews you meantion. It's tricky but look closely at the OCClub review.
Ah, okay. I see what you're saying. That is a wee bit tricky.
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Old 08-04-08, 02:07 PM   #248
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I could never get it to work and neither can my friend with his 4870 using the 8.7 driver.
I just checked. Seems to be working for me. Not all edges get AA'd though. But many do. Ah well.

Wish I still had an nVidia card to compare to but at the moment I do not.

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I hope when they shrink the 280 and jack up its core and shader clock they don't reduce the memory interface size and ram amount. That card @ 660-700 on the core with a 1600+ shader clock should be nice.

As far as the GTX 260 goes I like the one I am overclocking a lot. It runs games very smoothly without a lot FPS fluctuations. The only game that clowns it @ 1920x is Crysis all very high.

I play a lot of AoC with; full shadows enabled, bloom, all high and 4xAA|16xAF. It plays very fluid.
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[H]ard recently did a review of an overclocked GTX 260-

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==
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