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Old 05-05-03, 07:11 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Pretty good 5800 review

http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Inno3D/FX5800/

It overclocks to ultra speeds.
They also point out that it beats the 9700.
Heck in some test even the 9800.

I cannot wait for the Det 50's.
Here is the last thing they said.

"""Definitely, the performance of the card was improved dramatically from the higher core/mem clock and will be able to outperform the Radeon 9700 Pro this time."""

They were talking about at 500/1000.

Now before I get flamed I'm just saying the card is "getting better" with the newer driver releases.
Thats all.

We all know the 9800 is king.
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Old 05-05-03, 07:13 PM   #2
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Ditto: DET. 50.xxx me too
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hmm BK: just 3Dmark2003 got 2107 with .51 i hate PREAMTURE drivers lol
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hmm BK: just 3Dmark2003 got 2107 with .51 i hate PREAMTURE drivers lol
What? it got 4572 on there rig at 400/800.
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Wow nice
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Does Riva 12.4 rec. our FX ? i need a OC proggy i guess..
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Does Riva 12.4 rec. our FX ? i need a OC proggy i guess..
Coolbits is the only one i know of that works on the fx.

But NV has the memory locked on the 5800 ultra VIA Bios.
I wish I could find a memory OCer for it.
I've read that 1100 was easy on the ultra. Heck I could push my 3DM scores way up with a memory oc and core.
My core does 560 without dropping back on anything.
Tho for a bench I could go higher.
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Yeah right.. sure it beats the 9700pro.

Especially when you engineer the Settings to favor Nvidia. How convenient for you'all that there are so many unscroupulous web sites out there eh??

And thats not even getting into the *FACT* that Nvidias 4x AA is totally and completely inferior in every concievable way.
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were they using application for both aa and af?

if not the comparison is far from being fair.

for example unless app if used with 8x af then trilinear isn't being forced.

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Yeah right.. sure it beats the 9700pro.

Especially when you engineer the Settings to favor Nvidia. How convenient for you'all that there are so many unscroupulous web sites out there eh??
We all know that the reviewers have different results from normal users. We also know that an R300 clocked at 472MHz core and 720MHz memory is also faster than a NV30.

Of course you don't see many reviewers or even many users at those speeds. Hence with the fillrate available to me and the lack of bandwidth for the fillrate to be 100% utilised, my results are strange.

I would suggest people read the Beyond3D reviews as they tend to be very detailed.

Hellbinder, when comparing maximum IQ settings you are very right. The 9700 would wreck havoc on the NV30 regardless and unless a driver speeds up the heavy IQ modes by 150% (for exact numbers look for my percentage thread somewhere on these forums) otherwise there is no possible way for the NV30 to compete at max IQ.

By max IQ I mean max AF with trilinear and maximum AF modes that can be possibly forced. 16x AA in GL (or was it in D3D? I am 95% sure it is in GL. 8x in D3D) on the NV30 etc...

Some say this isn't fair but if you want to compare the framerate on max IQ settings then it's the only way to go.
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So this is the conclusion:

"Inno3D Tornado GeForce FX 5800 is not the best performing card you can find out there in the market especially with Radeon 9800 Pro cards around. Even Radeon 9700 Pro cards can offer better gaming performance at similar price point at the current moment. However, there are already some evidences that next generation games like Doom III will be able to perform better on NV30 architecture and also the games written on Cg programming will be able to utilize the engine to the fullest. Definitely, there are a number of consumers out there who prefer to stick with NVIDIA based cards for better compatibilities with games."

So they recomend this card because it MIGHT play doom 3 a little better than the r300 and r350 series, that one or two games using cg MIGHT run faster on the card, and that SOME consumers (did they form a survey and get reliable sources for this?) prefer it because nvidia (supposedly) has more compatablility with games.

That's the weakest form of logic I've ever seen in an article.

I'm all for nvidia producing some decent cards BUT this card is not one of them even based on their own premise.

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Yeah right.. sure it beats the 9700pro.

Especially when you engineer the Settings to favor Nvidia. How convenient for you'all that there are so many unscroupulous web sites out there eh??

And thats not even getting into the *FACT* that Nvidias 4x AA is totally and completely inferior in every concievable way.
for the last ****ing time..
the nv30 DOES beat the 9700 in some tests... high resolution, low aa or no aa... the 9700 takes the lead by a large margin as you start to increase the aa though. quality modes compared to quality modes... the geforcefx still wins in some tests... (im talking about application slider, not aa or af)
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