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Old 07-28-08, 08:12 PM   #253
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I have used nvidia from gf2mx400 to my 8600GT - and in a couple of hours I will buy a 3650/3850/3870 (I am not sure how much I really want to spend). Kind of sad... Nvidia always worked well for me. But KDE 4.1 is really unbearable... and even 3.5 has its weak moments (if you look for them).
energyman76b switching to AMD/ATI
The last time I read one of your posts you seemed to have radically different convictions...
Well, I guess one can only wait for so long.
As far as I am concerned, since DELL just won't even let me pay to get an X3100 enabled board instead of the infamous 8400M GS I have, I will try to get a new laptop before this one's GPU dies for the thrid time this year...
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Old 07-28-08, 08:44 PM   #254
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I spend a lot of time switching between windows, tabs, etc. These tasks have become painful to say the least. Being able to watch windows repaint themselves is incredibly distracting and interrupts my workflow.
You're so right.
The only way I could ease the pain was using XGL; you might try that. The overkill in OpenGL performance seems to hide some driver problems. Some resizing and scrolling remains lame, but not as 'interruptive' as before.
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Old 07-28-08, 11:11 PM   #255
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Add another to the list of dissatisfied customers in relation this problem.

I was an early purchaser of the 9600GT. I have a 24" LCD as my primary monitor, and I wanted to improve my 3D performance for when I occasionally play games. I waited patiently for a stable driver to come out. When it finally did, I was rewarded with an excellent 3D boost, but abysmal 2D in day to day work.

I do contract software/web development and I spend a lot of time switching between windows, tabs, etc. These tasks have become painful to say the least. Being able to watch windows repaint themselves is incredibly distracting and interrupts my workflow. I was forced to install the Flashblock add-on because pages such as this one with Flash advertisements would chew up 50-100% CPU time and bring Firefox to its knees.

Also add me to the list of people that used to never give second thought to the video chipset manufacturer when choosing a video card to use under Linux. Even though NV provided closed drivers, in the beginning it was very exciting to see a major multimedia player embrace the Linux community and offer a workable solution. However, over time dealing with recompiles with every kernel update, bugs hidden in a binary blob that the community can't tend to, and now this 2D issue has really squelched the enthusiasm.

gtkperf might be a synthetic benchmark, but it does have a strong indication to the 2D capabilities of a Linux system. My score is currently 26.69 seconds with a 9600GT and an AMD X2 5600+. According to the numbers in Phoronix's analysis of the new ATI 4850 chipset, I could go buy a 4850 card and nearly double my 2D performance. An excerpt from their 4850 summary:



NV has put me an many others in a poor situation. We have three choices: poor 2D in exchange for decent 3D, downgrade to an old card with previous gen 3D but decent 2D, or take our money to the competition that has both decent 2D and 3D and open drivers to boot.

I appreciate the position that NV is in. They have to keep Windows, Apple and Linux users happy, their company profitable, their resources focused on the customer bases that help their company stay afloat, and abide by managements' wishes to keep their hardware specifications under lock and key. It's quite the delicate balance for sure. But as a paying customer, I not only desire, I need a solution that works. At the end of the day I have to commit my dollars to the company that can provide me with that solution.

Right now that company is not NVIDIA. If a fellow Linux user asks me for advice on which new video card to choose, I will say without hesitation not NVIDIA. I am also strongly contemplating the purchase of a new ATI card and the sale of my used 9600GT. I see no other alternatives that don't involve going backwards a couple generations.

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Thanks for that well-written post!
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Old 07-29-08, 01:27 AM   #256
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gtkperf might be a synthetic benchmark, but it does have a strong indication to the 2D capabilities of a Linux system. My score is currently 26.69 seconds with a 9600GT and an AMD X2 5600+.
..[snip]...
I am also strongly contemplating the purchase of a new ATI card and the sale of my used 9600GT. I see no other alternatives that don't involve going backwards a couple generations.
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i have the same card, but my score is 14,44 seconds. cpu: athlon 64 x2 @ 2,8 ghz on archlinux x86_64.

device section of xorg.conf:

Section "Device"
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "nVidia Corporation"
Option "TripleBuffer" "True"
Option "PixmapCacheSize" "300000"
Option "OnDemandVBlankInterrupts" "True"
EndSection

sync to vblank enabled in nvidia-settings (opengl and xvideo)
driver version: 173.14.09
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Old 07-29-08, 01:31 AM   #257
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i have the same card, but my score is 14,44 seconds. cpu: athlon 64 x2 @ 2,8 ghz on archlinux x86_64.

device section of xorg.conf:

Section "Device"
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "nVidia Corporation"
Option "TripleBuffer" "True"
Option "PixmapCacheSize" "300000"
Option "OnDemandVBlankInterrupts" "True"
EndSection

sync to vblank enabled in nvidia-settings (opengl and xvideo)
driver version: 173.14.09

USE 177 BETA DRIVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're using the horrible 173 drivers...
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Old 07-29-08, 01:32 AM   #258
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Wow 23.5 k thread views and no sign of slowing. I wonder what'll happen if someone submits to digg...
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Old 07-29-08, 01:33 AM   #259
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gtkperf 0.40 8600GT, AMD 6000+ on 3Ghz 1000rounds (with the beta drivers):
gtkPerf 0.40 - Starting testing: Tue Jul 29 08:02:51 2008

GtkEntry - time: 0,48
GtkComboBox - time: 10,12
GtkComboBoxEntry - time: 10,08
GtkSpinButton - time: 1,34
GtkProgressBar - time: 0,56
GtkToggleButton - time: 1,63
GtkCheckButton - time: 1,69
GtkRadioButton - time: 2,16
GtkTextView - Add text - time: 16,68
GtkTextView - Scroll - time: 5,71
GtkDrawingArea - Lines - time: 5,62
GtkDrawingArea - Circles - time: 8,57
GtkDrawingArea - Text - time: 3,11
GtkDrawingArea - Pixbufs - time: 5,28
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Total time: 73,02

I have also couple of results for xrenderbenchmark and renderbench. Posting them later.
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Old 07-29-08, 02:14 AM   #260
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ok with the beta driver im under 10 seconds:
GtkPerf 0.40 - Starting testing: Tue Jul 29 09:12:50 2008

GtkEntry - time: 0,04
GtkComboBox - time: 1,58
GtkComboBoxEntry - time: 1,48
GtkSpinButton - time: 0,37
GtkProgressBar - time: 0,29
GtkToggleButton - time: 0,60
GtkCheckButton - time: 0,52
GtkRadioButton - time: 0,60
GtkTextView - Add text - time: 0,47
GtkTextView - Scroll - time: 0,36
GtkDrawingArea - Lines - time: 0,27
GtkDrawingArea - Circles - time: 0,43
GtkDrawingArea - Text - time: 2,39
GtkDrawingArea - Pixbufs - time: 0,48
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Total time: 9,89

so, gorgonous, check your setup!
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Old 07-29-08, 02:19 AM   #261
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gtkperf depends heavily on what theme you use for GTK.
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Old 07-29-08, 04:18 AM   #262
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Its really sad that we need to apply all of these fixes and hacks while using BETA drivers to get our expensive cards to work *almost* as well as a card that costs maybe $200 less.
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Old 07-29-08, 07:15 AM   #263
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USE 177 BETA DRIVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're using the horrible 173 drivers...
USE 173 drivers....177 beta sucks. I say this because one should try both. I tried 177 and they drove my system to a halt, too slow,laggy and lumpy and otherwise unpleasant. I then went back to 173 and my system was usable again (not good, but not impossible to use). SO the moral of the story here is don't shout at people to use one driver.

p.s. don't use hideous font sizes either, it's really annoying
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Old 07-29-08, 08:41 AM   #264
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Well, at least this thread goes on and hasn't been locked. My buddy posted over on the UT3 forums asking for the release date on the promised UT3 Linux installer. Each time he posted it was deleted. He was told by others that this was a common practice. Then they banned him. Promises, Promises.
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