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Old 05-15-03, 05:28 PM   #205
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Old 05-15-03, 05:46 PM   #207
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good question..

it cost more being a member of FUture mark.. by FAR .
because they not only need to pay for membership ,
but also design their Future hardware Nv3x,Nv4x,Nv5x..
with more transistors and spend hundreds of hours
in drivers tweaking ,just for a useless benchmark.
Isn't this whole thread about the hundreds of hours nVidia have spent tweaking drivers for a 'useless' benchmark?
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hanners.. in what way is diferent SPECviewperf from 3dmark2003 then ?
3DMark2003 - A DirectX 9-based benchmark designed to simluate real-world gaming situations, which doesn't use any specific engines that you would find in games.

SPECviewperf - A benchmark for users of professional 3D applications, which uses those very same professional applications in it's tests.


Two very different kinds of benchmarks if you ask me.
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Old 05-15-03, 05:51 PM   #209
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Umm you cannot say 3dmark03 is a useless benchmark after everybody went completely ape**** over the prelim 5900 benchmarks which showed it quite ahead in 3dmark03, predicting how a card will do based on a "useless" benchmark is so hypocritical its not even funny

Why would Nvidia tell people that a benchmarking program is not recommended for use with their cards until issues are resolved, and then try to make it seem like their cards rule by cheating with the results of the benchmark program which people shouldn't be using in the first place because it is inaccurate?
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Regardless of people's opinions of 3DMark, I don't see how regarding it as useless or a lazy way to test a card has anything to do with the issue at hand, it doesn't change the simple fact that nVidia cheated on a widely-used benchmark, and has set a dangerous precendent for this kind of thing in any kind of benchmark or timedemo.
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Doubt they will concern themselves with this in the next driver versions. Maybe we will see some more B.S. with Det 50.xx, although it would be stupid to continue on with it as it is a waste of time/resources.
I hope they concern themselves with fixing this 'bug' before they forget all about 3DMark...
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Man Cowboy, ever since you changed that Avatar of yours I see a completely different guy.. and TBO I liked the other guy better
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What would be the point? Who needs justification other than ATi owners?
If nVidia are going to pretend this is a bug, then they should at least make it look as though they are trying to fix it.

The longer they leave it untouched, the further the 'nVidia are cheats' reputation will spread, and the last thing nVidia need right now is to be dragged through the mus over and over again. The sooner it's fixed, the more chance of it being forgotten.
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When the Det 50.xx come out, I suspect whatever will be will be. Although I wouldn't waste time on it if I really felt that it was worthless. I don't like the idea of Nvidia wasting time on it, if anything, I think it should get worse so you can't benchmark your Nvidia card with it at all. Like a "Quack" with tremendously adverse results not in favor of Nvidia.
I imagine it'll be quicker to remove than it was to put in.

Again, breaking 3DMark totally on nVidia cards would set a dangerous precedent. What next? nVidia don't like the way Half-Life 2 runs on their cards, so they deliberately break the game in the drivers? It won't happen obviously, but the way nVidia are thinking these days I sometimes wonder.

To start breaking applications in drivers would be childish in the extreme, and certainly the final nail in the in the coffin that would lay the 'superior nVidia drivers' ghost to rest.
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When the Det 50.xx come out, I suspect whatever will be will be.
Jesus, I hope so... if whatever will be DOES'NT be, then we have bigger problems than driver cheating!!!

Sorry, I had to say it

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