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Old 05-15-03, 01:43 AM   #61
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anyway you look at this it really only makes sense that they were "praying to god" that no-one would find out.

that's the only way it makes sense to me at least.

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Old 05-15-03, 01:46 AM   #62
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Old 05-15-03, 02:28 AM   #63
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Problem is, people have been noticing slight visual anomalies (pixel smearing). Look in this forum for a thread started by AnteP.
Well i think these errors were on FX 5800- and not on 5900U so...
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Old 05-15-03, 02:28 AM   #64
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To those who can't see anything, perhaps they were'nt looking in the right places:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...threadid=11786

1: 43.51 I get no pixel smearing and I have a score that's 700 points lower than now.
2. 44.03 I get pixel smearing and my score in inflated by 700 points.

So something IS indeed wrong.
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Old 05-15-03, 02:42 AM   #65
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System Configuration


General Information

Operating System Microsoft Windows XP

DirectX Version 9.0

Mobo Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC.

Mobo Model P4G8X

AGP Rates (Current/Available) 8x / 4x, 8x

CPU Intel Pentium 4 3060 MHz

FSB 170 MHz

Memory 512 MB



Display Information

Graphics Chipset NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800 Ultra

Driver Name NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800 Ultra

Driver Version 4.3.5.1

Video Memory 128 MB

Core Clock 301 MHz

Memory Clock 602 MHz



Sound Information

Sound Adapter Driver Name SB Audigy Audio [B800]

Sound Adapter Driver Version 5.12.1.253



Benchmark Settings

Program Version 3DMark03 Revision 1 Build 3

Resolution 1024x768@32 bit

Texture Filtering Optimal

Pixel Processing / Antialiasing None

Post Processing false

Vertex Shaders Optimal



Main Test Results
3DMark Score 6253 3DMarks

CPU Score 672.0 CPUMarks



Detailed Test Results


Game Tests

GT1 - Wings of Fury 213.4 fps

GT2 - Battle of Proxycon 40.8 fps

GT3 - Troll's Lair 33.0 fps

GT4 - Mother Nature 42.2 fps



CPU Tests

CPU Test 1 69.1 fps

CPU Test 2 12.9 fps



Feature Tests

Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 1476.1 MTexels/s

Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 3608.8 MTexels/s

Vertex Shader 15.3 fps

Pixel Shader 2.0 46.6 fps

Ragtroll 19.6 fps



Sound Tests

No sounds 58.9 fps

24 sounds 51.7 fps

60 sounds Not Supported
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Old 05-15-03, 02:45 AM   #66
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http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=745260


As u can see. 200 points difference and my best score here also has more cpu power.

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Compared Project Info
Name FX Power!

Description

Date 2003-05-12

User bkswaney@aol.com

3DMark Score 6471 3DMarks

CPU Score 676.0 CPUMarks

Compare URL http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=745260



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Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Microsoft Windows XP

DirectX Version 9.0a 9.0a

Mobo Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC. ASUSTeK Computer INC.

Mobo Model P4G8X P4G8X

AGP Rates (Current/Available) 8x / 4x, 8x 8x / 4x, 8x

CPU Intel Pentium 4 3114 MHz Intel Pentium 4 3114 MHz

FSB 173 MHz 173 MHz

Memory 512 MB 512 MB



Display Information

Graphics Chipset NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800 Ultra NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800 Ultra

Driver Name NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800 Ultra NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800 Ultra

Driver Version 4.4.0.3 4.4.0.3

Video Memory 128 MB 128 MB

Core Clock 301 MHz 301 MHz

Memory Clock 602 MHz 602 MHz



Sound Information

Sound Adapter Driver Name SB Audigy Audio [B800] SB Audigy Audio [B800]

Sound Adapter Driver Version 5.12.1.253 5.12.1.253



Benchmark Settings

Program Version 3DMark03 Revision 2 Build 0 3DMark03 Revision 2 Build 0

Resolution 1024x768@32 bit 1024x768@32 bit

Texture Filtering Optimal Optimal

Pixel Processing / Antialiasing None None

Post Processing false false

Vertex Shaders Optimal Optimal



Main Test Results
3DMark Score
(3DMarks) 6471

6471


CPU Score
(CPUMarks) 676.0

676.0




Detailed Test Results


Game Tests

GT1 - Wings of Fury
(fps) 213.3

213.3


GT2 - Battle of Proxycon
(fps) 43.6

43.6


GT3 - Troll's Lair
(fps) 34.6

34.6


GT4 - Mother Nature
(fps) 43.2

43.2




CPU Tests

CPU Test 1
(fps) 69.1

69.1


CPU Test 2
(fps) 13.1

13.1




Feature Tests

Fill Rate (Single-Texturing)
(MTexels/s) 1426.3

1426.3


Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing)
(MTexels/s) 3616.0

3616.0


Vertex Shader
(fps) 21.2

21.2


Pixel Shader 2.0
(fps) 47.9

47.9


Ragtroll
(fps) 21.0

21.0




Sound Tests

No sounds
(fps) 59.7

59.7


24 sounds
(fps) 52.5

52.5


60 sounds
(fps) Not Supported

Not Supported
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Old 05-15-03, 02:48 AM   #67
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the problem is 3DMark is unfair anyway, while nvidia decided to stop playing 3DMark game, ati and futuremark are still working together and keep comparing results to nvidia's as if its the fairest things to do, as if everyone must compare their cards in 3DMark's way, i didnt read the details much about the cheat/bug, but i think nvidia wanna stop playing this 3DMark game and try to mess it up.
why everyone needs to kiss futuremark a** to sell their cards? kiss JC's a** is way smarter
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Old 05-15-03, 02:49 AM   #68
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Quote:
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i think ExtremeTEch is completly misleading people..
THose Horrible screenshots are not noticeable to the
GAmers ,only to the developers (not Nvidia ) that have
access to 3dmark2003 from others camera points of view..

Imo.. if the GAmer cant notice any decrease in IQ
then i see *no problem* for more performance.
without noticeable decrease in IQ.

i think Extremetech and the Guys behind this...
we know who they are...
ATi is simply Crying like ladies! because the Nv35 kicked the ass,
of R350.. in games!!! where it matters..
....nvidia did the same with ATI with the Quake3 thingy and with Kyro....people forget things very easily
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I also score about the same with the other drivers.
I think this is a big deal being made out of nothing.
I could be wrong but in my findings I think the score will be within 5% of each other.
ET is just trying to start $h!t.
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Old 05-15-03, 02:54 AM   #70
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Quote:
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....nvidia did the same with ATI with the Quake3 thingy and with Kyro....people forget things very easily

Yep... and after ati fixed it made little difference in performance.
Both sides fudge from time to time.
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Quote:
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....nvidia did the same with ATI with the Quake3 thingy and with Kyro....people forget things very easily
ATis "Quack" was evident in one single driver.
nVidia has had "problems" with 3DMark for 3-4 driver revisions now.

When ATi removed the Quack "problem" they actually gained performance and quality.
I'm not saying it wasn't cheating.
But to me the whole ordeal looked to obvious to be a cheat. If you're going to cheat at least make it a bit hard to notice ey... I don't think ATi were that stupid.

But in all fairness nVidia surely desrves a chance to correct their problems and if quality is fixed and performance is equal then they're off the hook.

BTW I can't belive how many people in here actually are fine with cheating.

The thing I want to check out is Shadermark, as this is one of the benches where DetFX does wonders.

Above all I think it just rose my suspicion. How can I trust any benchmark that an FX produces now? Must I test them all for abnormalities or is this limited to 3DMark03?
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I really cant care less if they cheated 3dmark03, it's business, and business in the graphics card market is cut-throat.

Unless they are cheating in games, I really dont care, I think 3dmark03 is a ****ty benchmark anyhow. A CPU speed difference of 600-700mhz (which I have tested) makes not a single difference to your 3d Mark score, or miniscule differences to selective tests, yet, in games this CPU speed increase would make a huge difference.

There is clearly no link between your performance in 3dmark03 and ANY games out now. It's merely a tool for manufacturers to optimize their products for to sell their graphics cards.
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