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Old 05-23-03, 01:11 PM   #157
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That's what I would do. This is no different then enron giving false revenue reports to sway investors (although not even close to the same scale). nVidia and ati are giving false peformance information to sway buyers - and that should be illegal.

He who controls the information controls the truth. Tis sad...
Actually, this does sound like a good idea. The idea of someone suing someone over this is only worthy of a giggle, but if some pissed off FX owners contacted the BBB in the state that nVidia is in I bet the paperwork/beurocracy wouldn't be the only trouble they got into...

...I betcha it'd be worthy of a blurb on CNN/MSNBC then!
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Geee, I wonder how this news will affect nVIDIA stockholders?
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Old 05-23-03, 01:13 PM   #159
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Actually, this does sound like a good idea. The idea of someone suing someone over this is only worthy of a giggle, but if some pissed off FX owners contacted the BBB in the state that nVidia is in I bet the paperwork/beurocracy wouldn't be the only trouble they got into...

...I betcha it'd be worthy of a blurb on CNN/MSNBC then!
Maybe they could hire Arthur Anderson to do their paper shredding *ahem*, I mean accounting...
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I think nvidia have aspirations of being the Intel or Microsoft of the graphics world, I genuinely think they feel very threatened by ATI at the moment.
By the way I tested the new build on my 9800pro (with cat 3.4); my score went UP 20 marks. GT4 was only 0.1 %.... FASTER !
On the fx 5800 i have in another machine the score dropped 24.5 %.
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What some people here fail to realize is that the degree of cheating (in this case, the percentages that ATI and Nvidia have gained) does not in any way negate the fact that they both did indeed cheat. It doesn't matter if it was a 1.8% gain or a 24% gain from driver cheats...they're both still cheats.

To me, the only real difference I see is that that the Nvidia crew is MUCH better at writing drivers than the ati folks. I'm not condoning cheating, just pointing out the obvious.
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how does this topic get to 7 pages in 4hrs? I didn't read it, but I can guess it's all crap...
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To me, the only real difference I see is that that the Nvidia crew is MUCH better at writing drivers than the ati folks.
Don't you mean that the Nvidia crew is MUCH better at writing cheating drivers than the ATI folks?
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What some people here fail to realize is that the degree of cheating (in this case, the percentages that ATI and Nvidia have gained) does not in any way negate the fact that they both did indeed cheat. It doesn't matter if it was a 1.8% gain or a 24% gain from driver cheats...they're both still cheats.

To me, the only real difference I see is that that the Nvidia crew is MUCH better at writing drivers than the ati folks. I'm not condoning cheating, just pointing out the obvious.
I don't think one company's ability to cheat over another's is at all indicitive of their "driver-writing" adeptness.
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What some people here fail to realize is that the degree of cheating (in this case, the percentages that ATI and Nvidia have gained) does not in any way negate the fact that they both did indeed cheat. It doesn't matter if it was a 1.8% gain or a 24% gain from driver cheats...they're both still cheats.

To me, the only real difference I see is that that the Nvidia crew is MUCH better at writing drivers than the ati folks. I'm not condoning cheating, just pointing out the obvious.
Thats another funny post !!
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how does this topic get to 7 pages in 4hrs? I didn't read it, but I can guess it's all crap...
You should read through it - not as crappy as it might seem. Just make sure to skip the usual bs from some users... but that comes with the territory...
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how does this topic get to 7 pages in 4hrs? I didn't read it, but I can guess it's all crap...
Pretty much. It got interesting early on when it was fast & furious, but it's sort of just starting to recycle all the new arguments.

I've decided to take on a real challenge and see how the truly devoted are justifying this one....'cause I just don't get it.
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What some people here fail to realize is that the degree of cheating (in this case, the percentages that ATI and Nvidia have gained) does not in any way negate the fact that they both did indeed cheat. It doesn't matter if it was a 1.8% gain or a 24% gain from driver cheats...they're both still cheats.

To me, the only real difference I see is that that the Nvidia crew is MUCH better at writing drivers than the ati folks. I'm not condoning cheating, just pointing out the obvious.
er... no.

ATI have not been proven to be cheating. nvidia have.

IF ATI have cheated by 1.9%, then that's bad, but you don't form an opinion of how good hardware is based on 1.9%. 24.1% (and some reporting even higher) is not just a quantitative lie, it implies a qualitative difference you'd expect from e.g. a new core, not just a driver improvement.
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