Futuremark releases 3DMark03 patch - alleges NVIDIA cheats - Page 18

curio · 05-23-03, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by solofly
All this stress will shorten your lifes, folks. Over a useless time demo...

Thanks for the advice Dr. Know

DivotMaker · 05-23-03, 02:45 PM

Not sure how much this might have to do with this issue, but it appears that the new 3D Mark patch does not like the NV shader routines at all.

A representative at Nvidia questioned the validity of Futuremark's conclusions. "Since Nvidia is not part of the Futuremark beta program (a program which costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars to participate in), we do not get a chance to work with Futuremark on writing the shaders like we would with a real applications developer," the representative said. "We don't know what they did, but it looks like they have intentionally tried to create a scenario that makes our products look bad."

I am not making excuses for nVidia, but I sure did not expect the performance drop to be SO drastic...even 600 points overall is quite a big number....

Ady · 05-23-03, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by BigBerthaEA
Not sure how much this might have to do with this issue, but it appears that the new 3D Mark patch does not like the NV shader routines at all.

A representative at Nvidia questioned the validity of Futuremark's conclusions. "Since Nvidia is not part of the Futuremark beta program (a program which costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars to participate in), we do not get a chance to work with Futuremark on writing the shaders like we would with a real applications developer," the representative said. "We don't know what they did, but it looks like they have intentionally tried to create a scenario that makes our products look bad."

I am not making excuses for nVidia, but I sure did not expect the performance drop to be SO drastic...even 600 points overall is quite a big number....

link?

Clockwork · 05-23-03, 02:50 PM

What do you mean it doesn't like the nV shader routines??!??!

It's using standard DirectX9 shader/hardware calls. Just because nVidia can't toss in their custom (cheating) shader code as a replacement doesn't make Futuremark the bad guys..lol

Kombatant · 05-23-03, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by Ady
link?

Seconded

solofly · 05-23-03, 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by Clockwork
doesn't make Futuremark the bad guys..lol

It sure doesn't but on the other hand also makes them USELESS in real world.

Ady · 05-23-03, 02:55 PM

Possibly from Here

DivotMaker · 05-23-03, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by Ady
link?

http://news.com.com/2100-1046_3-1009574.html?tag=fd_top

Miester_V · 05-23-03, 02:58 PM

Just to speed things up...

linkage

Edit: Damn, someone beat me to it...

DivotMaker · 05-23-03, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by Clockwork
What do you mean it doesn't like the nV shader routines??!??!

It's using standard DirectX9 shader/hardware calls. Just because nVidia can't toss in their custom (cheating) shader code as a replacement doesn't make Futuremark the bad guys..lol

Shader "routines" might have been a poor choice of words. It could very well be that nVidia's drivers are not up to speed with respect to shader calls like ATI's is.

I never said Futuremark were the "bad guys".

Ady · 05-23-03, 03:00 PM

Thats a huge drop at HH.

6067 -> 4886

edit: typo

Ghola · 05-23-03, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by jAkUp
nonono... the reason we dont have ut2003 scores in our sigs is because anyone can fix that to give them any fps they want... walk around the map, turn off all bots, and stare at the floor.. gives you the most fps... to have an accurate way of testing various systems and video cards, we need a benchmark that is on a rail, that shows the benchmark the same way every time.

the problem is that if a benchmark is "on a rail" then video card companies can easily optimize... since they know exactly whats coming next... bah this is so confusing

Time to update your benchies huh?

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05-23-03, 02:45 PM	#206
DivotMaker Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 823	Not sure how much this might have to do with this issue, but it appears that the new 3D Mark patch does not like the NV shader routines at all. A representative at Nvidia questioned the validity of Futuremark's conclusions. "Since Nvidia is not part of the Futuremark beta program (a program which costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars to participate in), we do not get a chance to work with Futuremark on writing the shaders like we would with a real applications developer," the representative said. "We don't know what they did, but it looks like they have intentionally tried to create a scenario that makes our products look bad." I am not making excuses for nVidia, but I sure did not expect the performance drop to be SO drastic...even 600 points overall is quite a big number....