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Old 01-17-09, 12:52 PM   #37
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Old 01-17-09, 04:58 PM   #38
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Just built my new rig and played Crysis 1.21 for about 4 hours, single-player as well as multi-player. I am happy and quite relieved to say I didn't experience any MSing. I play at 1920*1200 Very High dx9 mode, V sync on, FSAA off. Though frames drop to about 30ish on some very demanding scenes, the 30 fps I experienced with my quad 295 setup felt just like the 30 fps I used to get with my old 8800 GTX. I couldn't even get 45fps in single-player with 1280*1024 high settings with my old card and now I can easily get 50+fps with very high at 1920*1200.

Overall, very happy with the setup. Of course would have been a shame to return these cards after spending that much dough on this upgrade. :P. I even felt the 30fps I get with my new setup was smoother than its respective counterpart with my old 8800 GTX.
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Old 01-17-09, 05:15 PM   #39
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Thanks for the replies guys.

This is what I did:
I canceled my order for the GTX295 and ordered a evga GTX285 instead.

The GTX295 required me to get a new PSU as well, which boosted the total cost to $900 with shipping and handling.(Canadian).

At the end of the day, spending $900 on something that could give me grief was too much of a risk. If it DID happen, it would piss me off way too much and I didn't want to waste time going though the hassle of shipping it back, paying a 15% restocking fee, uninstalling and reinstalling drivers and waiting for another card and bla bla bla.

At least now I have the GTX285, which offers double the performance of my old 8800GTS512, which ran pretty good.

I am sure I will be happy with the GTX285 for a year or two.
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Old 01-17-09, 05:18 PM   #40
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Just built my new rig and played Crysis 1.21 for about 4 hours, single-player as well as multi-player. I am happy and quite relieved to say I didn't experience any MSing. I play at 1920*1200 Very High dx9 mode, V sync on, FSAA off. Though frames drop to about 30ish on some very demanding scenes, the 30 fps I experienced with my quad 295 setup felt just like the 30 fps I used to get with my old 8800 GTX. I couldn't even get 45fps in single-player with 1280*1024 high settings with my old card and now I can easily get 50+fps with very high at 1920*1200.

Overall, very happy with the setup. Of course would have been a shame to return these cards after spending that much dough on this upgrade. :P. I even felt the 30fps I get with my new setup was smoother than its respective counterpart with my old 8800 GTX.
Maybe Crysis isnt affected by MS. Some games arent, how about COD5, L4D?
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Old 01-17-09, 05:27 PM   #41
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Maybe Crysis isnt affected by MS. Some games arent, how about COD5, L4D?
I just built the rig today, those games are coming. I will make some comments so everyone can have a better feel as to how this card feels w.r.t. the infamous 9800GX2 in the area of MSing.
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Old 01-17-09, 06:46 PM   #42
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For what it's worth microstutter for me was the worst in Crysis, although it was easily noticeable in Far Cry 2 and I could also slightly see it in COD5. 1920 x 1200 Res.
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Old 01-17-09, 09:49 PM   #43
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any game can be affected by ms, crysis is usually one of the worst cases of it.
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Old 01-21-09, 02:27 PM   #44
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So far I haven't noticed any micro-shutter on my 295. I am running every games in 2560x1600, some with No AA some with 4x some with 8x CSAA.
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Old 01-22-09, 01:02 PM   #45
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So far I haven't noticed any micro-shutter on my 295. I am running every games in 2560x1600, some with No AA some with 4x some with 8x CSAA.
Cool Cyant!

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ive already showed graphs proving the existence of microstuttering on the 295. argument over, no agreeing to disagree, ur just wrong.
NOT! Unless I see his PHD from MIT. Only then would I accept "argument over, no agreeing to disagree, ur just wrong" from anyone. Or if he said, he'd bought one, and as a result he was an eye witness to MS on a GTX295. OK, then i mite accept somebody saying "argument over, no agreeing to disagree, ur just wrong".

So I guess u just dont notice it Cyant?

I think it's best to accept that Cyant has a GTX295, and at 2560x1600 he hasn't noticed MS! YAY!

I'm going to try a GTX295, it should be here in ten days (I'm using the BFG trade up and I still got to send in my GTX280). If I don't like it I'm stuck with it. Maybe BFG would let me get the GTX285 instead.

I luv my GTX280 but I'm going to take a gamble on a GTX295. Mostly because based on the benchmarks below I don't see evidence of the type of MS that would ruin games for me. Also, the 2x448 Bit Memory Bus on the GTX295 has me convinced that if it only had a 2x256 Bit Memory Bus like the 9800x2 POS did, it would be idiotic to gamble. (The 4870x2 has a 2x256 Bit Memory Bus too.)

What I mostly noticed in the following benchmarks is how the FPS does NOT drop way way way down and it is not evident that you would experience 10 seconds of ridiculously low FPS like on the 9800x2 which amplified the POS 9800x2's MS to totally unacceptable low performance levels. It's worth the gamble especially for anyone that can simply return the card immediately to NewEgg.

And in the review that includes the 8800Ultra, the benchmarks clearly show that in all games the GTX295 doubles the FPS of an 8800Ultra! w00t!!! Kinda like if you SLIed two 8800Ultras and got perfect scalability. (That used to cost $1300 and one of three wishes from a Genie.) The GTX295 R-O-C-K-S in these benchmarks! Whereby a single GTX280 or GTX285 do not double the FPS of an 8800Ultra.

And I can't imagine that after all the complaining everyone did about the POS 9800X2, that nVidia did not cringe endlessly, and as a result they would not repeat releasing another POS MSing Sandwiched Card.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/gra...d-sli-review/1

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...95-review-bfg/

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...i-gaming-test/

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...on-review.html (This one is titled GTX285 but includes the GTX295 so that you can compare.)

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,672323/?page=1
(This is the one that includes an 8800Ultra.)
(Check out: http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,672323/?page=7)
(And how the GTX295's FPS doubles AND quadruples an 8800Ultra's FPS!)
(That's the performance I wanted when Crysis came out. )

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/geforc...iew-31489.html

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Old 01-23-09, 12:01 AM   #46
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any game can be affected by ms, crysis is usually one of the worst cases of it.
Existence of MS(P) and experiencing MS(Q) are not equivalent. P does not imply Q.

As I have said before as far as my quad-SLI setup goes I experience no MS. Though many will argue that quad-295 setup doesn't justify the cost, as an avid Crysis player, I am very happy with the money I spent. On top of that very impressive fps, it shows 30+ fps even in most crowded servers with 30+ people. See screenies:

My Crysis Wars/Warhead/Original settings: all on very high/enthusiast, V sync on, no FSAA. I don't know why it's showing custom settings, but I assure you they're all very high. Take a good look at the fps in each screenshot. Very impressive, period.







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Old 01-23-09, 12:26 AM   #47
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Thanks for not posting that in the screenshot thread.

Nice rig, BTW.
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Old 01-23-09, 01:03 AM   #48
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I apologize if it needs be in the screenshot section. Should moderators feel necessary to move it, please do. But given the topic on MS of 295, I think it's more relevant to post here rather than in the screenshot section. My point: no MS with Crysis franchise, Mirror's Edge, L4D, CoD5, Assassin's Creed, GTA4, FC2, TR:Underworld, Dead Space, RA3, Gears of War. Everything maxed out except in Crysis. Not only did I not see any MS, fps is hands down astonishing. If you are reluctant about getting one of these beasts b/c of MS, worry not.
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