European Union at it again

**nekrosoft13** · 01-19-09, 08:02 AM

Microsoft said yesterday that it has received a Statement of Objections from the Directorate General for Competition of the European Commission(EC). This is not the first time the EC has objected Microsoft business practices and its been going on since 2005. Microsoft was fined more than $1 billion in the past by EC after determining that Microsoft isn't living up to the terms of a 2004 antitrust settlement.

Below is the statement published by Microsoft:

MICROSOFT STATEMENT ON EUROPEAN COMMISSION STATEMENT OF OBJECTIONS
January 16, 2009

Yesterday Microsoft received a Statement of Objections from the Directorate General for Competition of the European Commission. The Statement of Objections expresses the Commission's preliminary view that the inclusion of Internet Explorer in Windows since 1996 has violated European competition law. According to the Statement of Objections, other browsers are foreclosed from competing because Windows includes Internet Explorer. The Statement of Objections states that the remedies put in place by the U.S. courts in 2002 following antitrust proceedings in Washington, D.C. do not make the inclusion of Internet Explorer in Windows lawful under European Union law.

We are committed to conducting our business in full compliance with European law. We are studying the Statement of Objections now. Under European competition law procedure, Microsoft will be afforded an opportunity to respond in writing to this Statement of Objections within about two months. The company is also afforded an opportunity to request a hearing, which would take place after the submission of this response. Under EU procedure, the European Commission will not make a final determination until after it receives and assesses Microsoft's response and conducts the hearing, should Microsoft request one.
-- Microsoft Corporation

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/0...ust-violations

this is the most idiotic complains from EU. So you are going to buy a new PC, you want to get firefox browser, but oh no there is no IE, how are you supposed to download it.

01-19-09, 12:00 PM

EU. What a joke.

Toss3 · 01-19-09, 12:11 PM

Most retarded thing I've read in awhile...

Sean_W · 01-19-09, 12:39 PM

Come on guys, this is what happens when Microsoft tie IE into the OS so tight and other of their software. Firefox doesn't tie itself into the OS, no sofware like this should.

Ever wonder why Office requeries service packs to be installed before you can even install it, I mean it's a damn piece of software tied into the core of the OS. Apple do this as well(Apple dont have a Monopoly like Microsoft do or huge share), you need a X version of leopard to even run their software such as iLife.

OpenOffice 3 will run on XP/Vista without service packs(even windows 2000 with Sp2), see the point?

glObalist · 01-19-09, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nekrosoft13

So you are going to buy a new PC, you want to get firefox browser, but oh no there is no IE, how are you supposed to download it.

windows explorer = win/win

**bacon12** · 01-19-09, 01:12 PM

Lynx cli browser FTW!

**nekrosoft13** · 01-19-09, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glObalist

windows explorer = win/win

for explorer to be able to connect to internet, internet explorer has to be present

stereod · 01-19-09, 02:29 PM

Retarded...
Do they want users to use command line ftp client to download Firefox or something?

glObalist · 01-19-09, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nekrosoft13

for explorer to be able to connect to internet, internet explorer has to be present

Surely MS could make the IE app hidden/inaccessible but still retain the basic functionality that allows WE to connect through it...

**Shamrock** · 01-19-09, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nekrosoft13

for explorer to be able to connect to internet, internet explorer has to be present

I don't mind IE being present, but when you interlock it with the kernel is another thing entirely. When you get FF, you cannot...absolutely CANNOT uninstall IE, AT ALL.

**nekrosoft13** · 01-19-09, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamrock

I don't mind IE being present, but when you interlock it with the kernel is another thing entirely. When you get FF, you cannot...absolutely CANNOT uninstall IE, AT ALL.

better question is are you really concerned about maybe 5-10mb of hdd space?

**Shamrock** · 01-19-09, 11:12 PM

No, but I CAN'T stand IE as it is, and it's embedded into XP. What I am using ATM.

Furthermore, it's more vulnerable, with it being a browser AND part of your OS. No independency at all.

01-19-09, 08:02 AM	#1
nekrosoft13 I'm Geralt Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chicagoland, once a year in Poland Posts: 24,364	European Union at it again Microsoft said yesterday that it has received a Statement of Objections from the Directorate General for Competition of the European Commission(EC). This is not the first time the EC has objected Microsoft business practices and its been going on since 2005. Microsoft was fined more than $1 billion in the past by EC after determining that Microsoft isn't living up to the terms of a 2004 antitrust settlement. Below is the statement published by Microsoft: MICROSOFT STATEMENT ON EUROPEAN COMMISSION STATEMENT OF OBJECTIONS January 16, 2009 Yesterday Microsoft received a Statement of Objections from the Directorate General for Competition of the European Commission. The Statement of Objections expresses the Commission's preliminary view that the inclusion of Internet Explorer in Windows since 1996 has violated European competition law. According to the Statement of Objections, other browsers are foreclosed from competing because Windows includes Internet Explorer. The Statement of Objections states that the remedies put in place by the U.S. courts in 2002 following antitrust proceedings in Washington, D.C. do not make the inclusion of Internet Explorer in Windows lawful under European Union law. We are committed to conducting our business in full compliance with European law. We are studying the Statement of Objections now. Under European competition law procedure, Microsoft will be afforded an opportunity to respond in writing to this Statement of Objections within about two months. The company is also afforded an opportunity to request a hearing, which would take place after the submission of this response. Under EU procedure, the European Commission will not make a final determination until after it receives and assesses Microsoft's response and conducts the hearing, should Microsoft request one. -- Microsoft Corporation http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/0...ust-violations this is the most idiotic complains from EU. So you are going to buy a new PC, you want to get firefox browser, but oh no there is no IE, how are you supposed to download it. __________________ Windows 8 the next big failure, right after Windows ME

01-19-09, 12:00 PM	#2
Bearclaw Guest Posts: n/a	Re: European Union at it again EU. What a joke.

01-19-09, 12:11 PM	#3
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01-19-09, 12:39 PM	#4
Sean_W Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,438	Re: European Union at it again Come on guys, this is what happens when Microsoft tie IE into the OS so tight and other of their software. Firefox doesn't tie itself into the OS, no sofware like this should. Ever wonder why Office requeries service packs to be installed before you can even install it, I mean it's a damn piece of software tied into the core of the OS. Apple do this as well(Apple dont have a Monopoly like Microsoft do or huge share), you need a X version of leopard to even run their software such as iLife. OpenOffice 3 will run on XP/Vista without service packs(even windows 2000 with Sp2), see the point?

01-19-09, 01:12 PM	#6
bacon12 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,536	Re: European Union at it again Lynx cli browser FTW!

01-19-09, 02:29 PM	#8
stereod Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Riga, Latvia Posts: 154	Re: European Union at it again Retarded... Do they want users to use command line ftp client to download Firefox or something? __________________ Core i5-2500K \| Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme + Scythe S-FLEX 1600rpm \| GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 670 2GB OC \| ASUS P8P67 \| Kingston HyperX Genesis DDR3-1600 2x4GB \| Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA 6Gb/s \| Thermaltake Toughpower XT 575W \| Cooler Master USP 100

01-19-09, 11:12 PM	#12
Shamrock Royalty gone awry Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,596	Re: European Union at it again No, but I CAN'T stand IE as it is, and it's embedded into XP. What I am using ATM. Furthermore, it's more vulnerable, with it being a browser AND part of your OS. No independency at all. __________________ They're after me Lucky Charms! AMD Phenom II 955BE 16GB G.Skill Sniper DDR3 1333Mhz Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 Logitech Z-5300 5.1 THX surround sound HANNS-G 28" LCD ZBoard Merc Gaming Keyboard CoolerMaster HAF-932 Full Tower Case Windows 7 Pro x64

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