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Old 06-02-03, 10:26 PM   #157
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Default Re: On re-reading, something else bothers me about the statement.

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How many people here think these two companies should be defining the rules of benchmarking? Let's have a show of hands...
I vote for Id software and Id Software, and me.

I will take on this burder for a small yearly salary of 1.4 million dollers.
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Old 06-02-03, 10:27 PM   #159
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Yeah I did realise that. Not trying to pick on you mate. Just discussing.
You may have read the editorials on the INQ about AMD and Intel (if not it is a good read, 3 part series). It very well explains the situation there and once I wrapped my mind around it all, I found it just downright scary. I think it could be simply catastrophic if the companys like AMD and ATi are run out. This could explain why I have a barton and a 9500 in my box , just to try to make sure that the next time I want to upgrade I still have a choice of what companys product fits my needs.
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Old 06-02-03, 10:32 PM   #160
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Neural: I'd appreciate a link to that article if you could find it. Thanks
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Old 06-02-03, 10:33 PM   #161
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As I said, as long as ATi is around, I won't buy nVidia products again. I don't like the way the company conducts itself and by supporting them, I only contribute to their longevity.
Brilliant you want a company to die? How old are you? This is such a childish attitude.

/walks away shaking head saying....I don't understand this video card war thing.
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Old 06-02-03, 10:37 PM   #162
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Brilliant you want a company to die? How old are you? This is such a childish attitude.

/walks away shaking head saying....I don't understand this video card war thing.


not many do...
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Brilliant you want a company to die? How old are you? This is such a childish attitude.

/walks away shaking head saying....I don't understand this video card war thing.
If you don't understand it then go away.

It's his and many others choice to boycott a company due to bad ethics or any other reason. Ones choice is not yours to judge.
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Old 06-02-03, 10:40 PM   #165
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If you don't understand it then go away.

It's his and many others choice to boycott a company due to bad ethics or any other reason. Ones choice is not yours to judge.
I think Intel's ethics are just as bad...but no one seems to care...
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Neural: I'd appreciate a link to that article if you could find it. Thanks
Here ya go! Thanks for listening. Kinda long so grab a snack or save them for when you have plenty of time. There in order from first article to the third.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9693

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9711

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9744
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Part of me would like to see nVidia take the Intel approach if their achitecture is so much different that it needs special instructions, be up front, and allow other companys to liscense it.
They've been doing this for a while. That "The Way it's Meant to be Played" logo? Yeah, that's an indicator.

CPUs and video cards, as similar as they are becoming, still have a few fundamental differences, one of them being the fact that video processors use vendor-specific driver compilers that translate code on-the-fly into machine language that only that driver's intended product(s) can interpret. With general-purpose processors, there are no such drivers. Rather, programmers can choose from a wide array of different third-party compilers that will in the end produce the same result on various CPUs, although there will be obvious differences in efficiency from compiler to compiler and from CPU to CPU. The problem is that with video card drivers, the manufacturers (ie, nVidia and ATi) have the opportunity to meddle with the drivers in order to produce results that would be more favorable to them, and since it will only work on their products, that same performance gain won't occur on the competition's. In synthetic CPU benchmarks, one doesn't have to worry about these things since most major CPU manufacturers (ie, Intel and AMD) support the same instruction sets (MMX, SSE, SSE2) in hardware that are implemented in the benchmark's code.

I'm hoping that as years go by and games become increasingly more complex in their vertex and (mainly) pixel shader instructions, we can finally ditch the concept of driver compilers and alleviate ourselves from this enormous headache. No more worries about compatibility, about image quality, about company honesty. This is the only way we can progress.

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I think Intel's ethics are just as bad...but no one seems to care...
I'm sure some people care. It doesn't matter if no one else cares anyway. If you care then do something about it.
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