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Old 06-04-03, 09:08 PM   #349
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But can you say it wasn't deserved? But a lot of those folks taking potshots never actually owned an 8500. I did. Huge mistake. I wasn't going to buy an ATI product again after that. But I was younger and stupid.

/me is very happy with his 9800 Pro.
Same situation now, that I see. Is all the heat nvidia taking undeserved?

The NV30 launch was horrible. The NV30 early drivers were horrible. The NV30 hardware is "acceptable" at best, not up to the quality of previous nvidia hardware for sure. And then the constant driver cheating.

nvidia are the ones digging the hole deeper, should we not call them out on it? How hard is it to just stop cheating, stop the marketing BS that went out of control with NV30, and focus on delivering good products and drivers again? As someone who staunchly defended nvidia in the past, even after the NV30 launch, I am very disappointed in their actions.
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Old 06-04-03, 09:09 PM   #350
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The problem with Rage3d, Is there are way too many personal attacks that goes on there
Well, I almost agree. Their Radeon & catalyst lounge have gotten a bit out of hand, but I blame it on the huge influx of newbies more than anything else. It'll settle down, if not I'll MAKE it settle down.

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Thats the reason Why I don't post there as much as I do here. Rage3d has some good posters, But there are some very offensive ones over there too.
Weird you should mention, but I was just having a chat with someone about how nVnews has become truly a bit ugly/meaner today somehow. Maybe it's been happening for a while and I didn't notice, maybe it is just weird today; but there has definately been a good deal more vitriol directed towards ATi enthusiasts as of late, and it's gonna drive some peeps away.

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I do post at rage3d occasionally. But I tend to keep my opinions to myself. Because wanting features like Digital Vibrance and Super Sampling makes me a newbie and a punk and a "kid"
THAT'S why your name was ringing a bell! I agree that thread took a weird turn, but did ya notice the newbie nVidiot there who just popped in to cause trouble? It hits on both sides, a very double-edged sword.

I'm still blaming nVidia for the whole mess, I'm truly starting to despise them.
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Old 06-04-03, 09:21 PM   #351
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Well, I almost agree. Their Radeon & catalyst lounge have gotten a bit out of hand, but I blame it on the huge influx of newbies more than anything else. It'll settle down, if not I'll MAKE it settle down.


Weird you should mention, but I was just having a chat with someone about how nVnews has become truly a bit ugly/meaner today somehow. Maybe it's been happening for a while and I didn't notice, maybe it is just weird today; but there has definately been a good deal more vitriol directed towards ATi enthusiasts as of late, and it's gonna drive some peeps away.


THAT'S why your name was ringing a bell! I agree that thread took a weird turn, but did ya notice the newbie nVidiot there who just popped in to cause trouble? It hits on both sides, a very double-edged sword.

I'm still blaming nVidia for the whole mess, I'm truly starting to despise them.
lol... yes chris posted on many a forum about the same thing and that made a few people mad.. and they took it out on him

of course that and the fact some people despise digital vibrance and others think its just a gimick... poor chris got the short end of the stick... but CM took a few looks @ his request and said he would look it up
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Old 06-04-03, 09:53 PM   #352
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Um, i dont like digital Vibrance nor do I think Ati should support it. There are a number of threads in the General Radeon forum from people who Switched from Nvidia To Ati in the last year and most of them comment about how much better things look on the ATi card.
While I respect your opinions regarding Digital Vibrance, I have to disagree.

On my GF4 Ti4600, I have wallpaper created from high resolution photos of my recent trip to Pebble Beach. Digital Vibrance makes these shots, not to mention the environment in Tiger Woods 2003/2004 look far more realistic. The moving water and resulting reflections rendered by the GF4 is also a bit more realistic as well.

On my 9800 Pro, I have played with the color controls ad nauseum, and still cannot get close to the visuals the GF4 is giving me. Don't get me wrong, the 9800 has a beautify display. But on my (2) 21" Viewsonic G-810-5's, the Radeon is not a match even with the new color enhancements in the Cat 3.4 drivers. The color saturation using DV is much more to my liking. I wish ATI good luck in coming up with a much better color management feature soon.
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Old 06-04-03, 10:09 PM   #353
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Here is the problem with Digital Vibrance.

Back in the day Nvidia was getting hammered for having horrid washed out IQ, especcially when compared to ATi. Thus all of a sudden Nvidia offered *Digital Vibrance* which is nothing but a software hack to artificially overbright colors.

Turn off Digital Vibrance and compare what you see to the non artificially enhanced ATi IQ. There is a big difference. Further many people have commented that they had not realized how cartoony games looked with digital Vibrance until they *got used* to their Ati card. Also there are a few comments about how some of the texture details are lost due to the overbrighting that DV does, That you just get used to.

So really, i will take the real thing instead of the Artificially Overdriven Color look.
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Old 06-04-03, 10:25 PM   #354
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Also consider that Rage3d has about 300,000 active posters. Nvnews has... maybe 1,000????
300,000? The last time I looked there were just over 38,000 which is also less the the little AMD community at amdmb...
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Turn off Digital Vibrance and compare what you see to the non artificially enhanced ATi IQ. There is a big difference.
You are responding to someone who is EXTREMELY picky about how his desktop and games look. Especially the Golf games I play like TW2003 and beta testing TW 2004. Since I am the course photographer for EA Sports (I am a sub-contractor, not an EA employee), I know better than anyone how the course should look in the game. If anything, the ATI image is washed out in comparison. I have done everything known to man to improve the ATI images and while they don't have the saturation that the nVidia images have, they just don't look as natural as the images I get using nVidia's Display Properites functionality. I actually rarely use ANY DV at all. I get the best images by using the contrast/gamma/brightness sliders.

The other thing that bothers me about the ATI color functionality is that they don't return to the settings you set when exiting a game. Every time I exit a game, I have to go back into Display Properties and click on the Color tab just to get back to the settings that I had in the first place.

I hate arguing with anyone, but I will disagree with you on DV but more importantly the way that nVidia allows for customization of color properties. ATI would do well to at least give USERS the choice to have the color presented the way each individual sees fit.
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Edit: What's up with people posting essays =/?
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Ouch,

IF DV is 'bad' why did ati add it into 3.4's? or try to.
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Ouch,

IF DV is 'bad' why did ati add it into 3.4's? or try to.

I'm not quite sure what ATI added, But I don't think they were trying to add DV, Cuz its not even close.

If they were.. I dunno what to say
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I'm not quite sure what ATI added, But I don't think they were trying to add DV, Cuz its not even close.

If they were.. I dunno what to say
Well again, i am to lazy to look for the interview because i dont really care that much, but the question was asked about DV.

And the reply was, in the next driver release we will have something like it.
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THAT'S why your name was ringing a bell! I agree that thread took a weird turn, but did ya notice the newbie nVidiot there who just popped in to cause trouble? It hits on both sides, a very double-edged sword.
Just like you hitting this place and causing trouble. But in your case you only have a dull pocket knife that is ineffective on me and I'm sure I speak for other people too.
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