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Old 06-11-03, 05:15 PM   #13
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Ok hold on. Are you guys tring to rewrite history or something?? It is a KNOWN FACT that even with the dustbuster the 5800U is so hot it will burn your fingers just touching it. It also does not change the fact that without the superfan kicking to high it has actualyl MELTED whole cards in short order. Becuae of a Bug in Nvidias drivers.

The Quadro Got dropped to 300mhz from 400. I am seriously finding it really hard to believe that all these 400mhz Nv30's are suddenly miraculously running cooloer than the exact same chips from 2 months ago at 500mhz.
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Old 06-11-03, 05:18 PM   #14
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They may run at Ultra speeds,..but they will not run that way long. Without some extreme cooling solutions, the heat will abruptly shorten the useful life of the chip.

It may not fail immediately, but it will fail much sooner than it should.
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Old 06-11-03, 05:27 PM   #15
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Why shouldn't the FX5200 exist? Where is the competition in that segment?
Without a doubt the FX5200 offers nice office features and in addition to that DX9 for free.
lol, someone that wants a card for office use will go for a much cheaper gf4mx or even a gf2mx.
the dx9 support it's useless at such frames. is this clear or not? i repeat is this clear enough for you???
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Old 06-11-03, 05:29 PM   #16
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They may run at Ultra speeds,..but they will not run that way long. Without some extreme cooling solutions, the heat will abruptly shorten the useful life of the chip
no sh*t , you kidding me
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Old 06-11-03, 06:09 PM   #17
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They may run at Ultra speeds,..but they will not run that way long. Without some extreme cooling solutions, the heat will abruptly shorten the useful life of the chip.
Maybe, maybe not. Most designers target EM at 100-110degrees Celsius. Granted, thats junction temp, but you even with a 20 degree drop you're looking at 80-90deg C at the heat sink. Thats really $!@#$# hot.

The other thing to realize is its exponential with temperature - if you're 10 degrees less than the critical temperature, the device will have a long, long lifetime. Of course, 10 degrees over and you won't last long.

The bigger reliability danger is usually from overvolting the transistors, and to my knowledge you can't actually do that on a GF FX.
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Old 06-11-03, 06:24 PM   #18
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according to the control panel on my geforcefx ultra... the unstable temperature for the 5800 ultra is 140c... mine runs at about 50c's gaming and surfing... but yes, the back of the card is VERY hot... thats why i stuck a little orb fan on it... too hot for me to leave it alone imo.
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Old 06-11-03, 06:38 PM   #19
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Hellbinder, have you ever considered that the Dustbuster FloxFX was the most horribly designed cooling fan in history and doesn't do that good a job of cooling? What are the temperature figures for the FlowFX gfFX5800Ultra compared to the standard fan gfFX5800? How efficient is the FlowFX? I was under the impression that it wasn't very good.
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I recently picked up an Asus FX 5800 (non-ultra). I have 2 systems at home- both with Athlon 2500+, 512 2700 ddr and Nforce2 (Asus and Biostar) motherboards. One system has a Radeon 9800 and the other obviously a 5800. At default settings for both the 9800 and 5800 the 5800 is only a few fps slower than the 9800 in Quake3 and UT2003 benchmarks. I was quite suprised. The 9800 seems to have a edge over the 5800 when paying with AA/AF. I have 17inch monitors and pay all my games at 1024 x 768. The 3dmark2003 scores were 4500 for the 5800 and 5500 for the 9800.

I don't have exact benchmarks with me at the moment, but my point of all of this is that the 5800 really is not a bad card at all. It is smooth in all the games I play. It is too bad the Ultra NV30 gave the standard 5800 a bad rep. I happen to get the 5800 for $299.00- even with the 5900 coming out for $399- I think you can't go wrong if you buy the 5800 now. It will probably get even cheaper soon. Also, the card is quiet too. It is no louder than the case fans I had already.

Why not get a R9700 pro for $299 instead? It's a better buy than a 5800.
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Old 06-11-03, 07:21 PM   #21
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Hellbinder, have you ever considered that the Dustbuster FloxFX was the most horribly designed cooling fan in history and doesn't do that good a job of cooling? What are the temperature figures for the FlowFX gfFX5800Ultra compared to the standard fan gfFX5800? How efficient is the FlowFX? I was under the impression that it wasn't very good.
i got the idea that it was pretty efficient... takes cool air from the outside. the air it spat is about 107F... and it sure spits out alot of it too... my card stays at 50-55c's during gaming... maybe someone with a non ultra can compare
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... have you ever considered that the Dustbuster FloxFX was the most horribly designed cooling fan in history and doesn't do that good a job of cooling? What are the temperature figures for the FlowFX gfFX5800Ultra compared to the standard fan gfFX5800? How efficient is the FlowFX? I was under the impression that it wasn't very good.
Flow FX is VERY effective at cooling the GPU and the memory modules on the top of the card. The modules on the bottom are, however, passively cooled. I have seen my 5800Ultra cycle the cooling fan on when the core temperature reaches about 58-60C and drop the temperature down to about 45C in less than 2 minutes- pretty effective it would seem...
As for actual thermal dissipation (numbers) I have no idea, but realize the 5800 core produces something like 72 watts of thermal power- comparable to an Athlon 2.0 Ghz CPU...cooled by a 5CFM fan (albeit a noisy one)...impressive design
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The 5800 ultra is a kick ass card.
I love mine.
With this baby at 560 core/1100 memory nothing
can touch it with no AA/AF.

I cannot wait for the new games coming out.
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Old 06-11-03, 08:50 PM   #24
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I liked my 5800 Ultra. I love my 9800 Pro, though. Comparing the two is no contest. I can't wait for the next round of video card wars (NV40 vs whatever's next from ATI).
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