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Old 06-25-09, 01:26 AM   #13
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I only pirate software made by developers who picked on me in middle school.
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Old 06-25-09, 03:54 AM   #14
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So you download everything you can get your hands on thing narc?
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Old 06-25-09, 04:00 AM   #15
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Yes

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Old 06-25-09, 04:17 AM   #16
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EB games in Australia has a 7 day full cash refund policy for all games including pc. except for games that require online registration on steam etc.
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Old 06-25-09, 04:46 AM   #17
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I have not stole no games ,but I can see why people do it .Companies add all these anti Piracy to the game ,which make you mad if you build and rebuild your computer like I do ,and I don't go and uninstall all my games like some require ,and they only let you have 3 activations.You have bought a $50 game and no more activations left and now your left with no way to install ,unless you go though hell and then sometimes that does'nt even work.They need to worry about just makeing a good game and forget about trying to put some kind of anti Piracy added on it which can cause problems.Because I don't care what they put on it ,if there is a way to steal it ,someone will.Plus if they do add all these ati-piracy to the game and the game just sucks or has so many bugs in it that you can;t even play it without a patch,they should give you at least 7 days to return it.Instead of you spend your hard earned money on a game and if it sucks or is buggy as hell you are just stuck with it.All other products you buy ,you least can get a refund if it is bad or does not work like you want.Looks at the Sims 3 ,a lot of them got stolen ,but they still sold over 1.5 million coppies,like in the first week.
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Old 06-25-09, 07:00 AM   #18
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Dude that's what I mean! And that's the perfect idea, I'm going to download then buy too man, ur a geniuso. And yeah, I forgot to mention, no can return a game, so yeah, ur F*KED

and listen, that's what I meant, kazaa SUCKED the entire time it lived on the drives of little girls yearning for their sweet tranny hanson earporn (which I liked cuz I'm queer eyed but a straight guy!)
That's a really stupid idea . Developers are still going to see the number of downloads, and bail pc gaming alltogether.
Another problem with this 'try before buy' nonsense is, that i'm sure you will convince yourself that "the game was good enough to play through a couple of times, but 'sadly' it was just barely NOT good enough to buy" .

And, while you have rationalized your way into 'almost buying the game' , again, developers will just see another download .

So a little focus on , and as my opinion of internet pirates is strong i think i done a great job in keeping it civil

As about the quality of games, i personally have had so very little problems with this .
My game collection is pretty small, some 45 games, pretty much all A titles.
I have only been disappointed slightly by 2 of them.
Mass Effect, which was good no doubt, but just not my thing at all .
And Empire Total War, which is awesome, but as the campaign map grew became unplayable due to crashes and severe graphical errors on the battle map .

I just don't see how you can buy a game you don't like, with the enormous amount of information available today .
Hundreds of user threads on forums, reviews, even television shows (fortunately over here we have a very very good one that is actually unbiased) , and last but not least : YOUTUBE.

Complaining about DRM ? Well that's just irony at it's finest. I mean if you pirate games for years on end, and then you actually buy 1 copy and start complaining about DRM and how you "bought this game goddamnit!" is just hilarious to me . ( < not directed to anyone personally, just in general)
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Old 06-25-09, 07:44 AM   #19
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Has anyone ever actually looked at the credits to these games? I've never seen so many sr. producers, assistant producers, managing producers, assistant managing producers.....you get the point.

Then there is the assets these devs go out and get. Think real world FPS games like CoD and MoH. How many times does Activision and EA have to go out and rerecord the same sounds for the same type of firearms over and over again. They also have to redo the same AR15 model over and over again .

Lets not mention the on location visits (an excuse to see a far away land they've never been too).

These game should not cost Millions of dollars especially when licensing a game engine from say Crytek, id or Epic.

We've all heard the back door stories of how a group of producers did not have a clue and did nothing for said game, yet there are pages and pages of credits.

How about you manage the game better remove all the producers and hire more talented engineers and coders to actually code the game properly while reducing the overall cost. While at the same time pushing a product out the door that actualy works on day one without a zero day patch.
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Old 06-25-09, 09:11 AM   #20
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That's a really stupid idea . Developers are still going to see the number of downloads, and bail pc gaming alltogether.
Another problem with this 'try before buy' nonsense is, that i'm sure you will convince yourself that "the game was good enough to play through a couple of times, but 'sadly' it was just barely NOT good enough to buy" .

And, while you have rationalized your way into 'almost buying the game' , again, developers will just see another download .
Dude you know, you're right to say that. I guess I was thinking from a user-only sphere. To the end user, it would of course be the best to be able to try whatever product they want before buying it. I think that something like what one of the previous posters wrote about a 7 day crash policy is a good idea. From a business standpoint it is obviously important to create a system that works as it is intended and doesn't create a great mound of free-users.

From an industry standpoint you're right, it is a stupid idea. It is important that piracy becomes enough of a side issue, or a minority/fringe use of these products that developers are fully compelled to commit the proportionally greater resources they would need to develop impeccable PC games (compared to console games). Or to forego console cross-platform ports (where assets are geared to lowest c.denominator) and go for PC-centric titles, which I would love to see. I'm not nearly as much of a fan of the consoles as I am of the PC; I find the latter to be a wide open, user-friendly, or maybe rather a user-enabled platform. I have a 360 controller hooked up to it so it can serve that function too.
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the games will run beautifully
Its sad that people consider capped at 30 fps with drops + motion blur a beautiful thing

I say they run, but very far from beautifully.
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I have 1 word: Demo
If the developers took their time to create a demo of their games running at its best(the NFS Pro Street demo for example made me not buy it because of crappy handling/control, but apparently the full version has better handling, but now its too late).

Firstly, they would get rid of the "try before you buy" people from downloading pirated copies, because they can try out the demo instead, and secondly if they put in some intelligent anti-piracy methods that wont affect the actual consumers, they would definently gain a few permenant sales there. Steam is a great example of this.
While I still prefer a hard copy with all the box and junk(I love collector editions), I still have a decent sized Steam collection, and understand consumers are more likely to buy a game off steam because of having everything in one place, the accessability of simply doing a few clicks and you suddenly have a legal copy of the full game which doesnt have any install limits or any of that garbage, is really appealing.

I am also seeing alot of games no days get their DRM removed after awhile, so what was the point of having it in the first place? It doesnt stop the pirates because things get cracked within a couple of days at most.

Er, anyway, sorry I focused too much on that side of things, but the things stated above can only help the state of PC gaming.

Obviously QC is a big problem, and I cant expect developers to create a bug-free experience on PC just because of the massive number of hardware combinations you can possibly have.
I dont think the OEMs help much though because of all the useless crap they pack on top of an already massive OS.
I think MS is doing a reasonable job with their DX API, since it does standardize what the developers have to work with, and with DX11 it should add even more for developers to work with, its just a shame that thats not where it stops, since you have all these other APIs devs work with aswell, and theres still no Physics standard, though, my guess is with DX Compute, APIs like Havok will get adapted to use that, and hopefully nVidia will do the same thing with PhysX, instead of only using CUDA.

So in short: Great Playable Demos of games(nice one Street Fighter IV...), greater use of intelligent anti-piracy methods such as Steam, and better standardization that devs have access to, to reduce the QC requirements for stable PC games, and less console->PC conversions (it should be PC->console)
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I agree with bad demos killing otherwise good games... so many demos I have played for games I own are crappy compared to the full version.

Of course, mainly we just lack demos altogether... more demos please. EVERY XBLA game has a demo, but very few retail games do.
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BREAKING (sorry but it's a Digg thing.....)

Just received a schedule invite to a Microsoft Games for Windows MVP meeting with the Games for Windows team (TBH didnt think there was anyone left)

It's mid July and there will be a QA, can't wait to see what MS has to say about their long but forgotten platform.

Will keep everyone posted, unless there is a NDA. This is more of a meet and greet with some basic info, including the QA I mentioned above.

I'm blown away that there is even a meeting, but I've been hounding my Program Manager about the lack of any GFW news, PR or blog posts from MS.
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