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Old 07-17-09, 03:04 PM   #1
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Thumbs down Modern image editing software.

I've been using Paint Shop Pro 7 for around 7 years now (used PSP 5 and 6 before that) and I keep going back to it for basic image editing.

I've tried GIMP and I've tried Photoshop and they both seem way too bloated and slow for basic tasks. Not to mention that Photoshop is outrageously expensive.

Everything about PSP just seems so much more streamlined than other modern image editing suites and they don't offer any options to make them work like PSP.

For example, I just downloaded a desktop picture from a website. It had a nasty looking border on it, so I attempted to black-out the border using GIMP. I found that it takes dozens of clicks and adjustments in 3 different areas just to get my brush to paint a soft black edge. And even then, no matter how hard I tried I couldn't get the damned thing to actually paint the correct color (BLACK) with a soft edge. Once I'd reached a certain level of "opacity" it simply wouldn't apply any more black unless I adjust the opacity before every click. On top of all that, I had to keep moving windows out of the way because the interface doesn't appear to dock anywhere. And the whole program seems incredibly laggy and choppy... as if I'm running without my video drivers installed or something.

So after screwing with that for 25 minutes, I installed PSP7 again, opened the file, picked a brush, made it black, lowered the opacity, lowered the brush hardness, and fixed the image in less than 2 minutes. It was smooth, fluid and everything I needed to adjust was in the same window and I never had to move windows out of the way to do anything. Hell, I didn't even have to touch the keyboard since the mouse wheel zooms in and out automatically and you can use it to zoom out and back into any part of the image in a fraction of a second.

I understand that I've gotten used to how this program works after nearly 10 years of use... but still... why are modern graphics programs so bloated and slow? It shouldn't take half a second for the program to respond when I zoom into an image and the cursor shouldn't chop and stutter while I'm drawing a basic line. It'd also be nice to have basic drawing features work without having to click 18 different buttons on three windows just to make a brush almost do what you want it to do (ie, what it does in a 10 year old paint program).

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Are there any image editing programs available that are fast and light yet powerful? Animated .gif support would be nice too (PSP7 comes with Animation Shop 3... which is ok but could be much better).
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Old 07-17-09, 04:15 PM   #2
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Just tried Paint.Net.

Its ok, but too basic and doesn't seem to have any options at all. Its basically MS Paint with image filters.
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Old 07-17-09, 04:33 PM   #3
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really quick hijack captn

In paint, how can I make the image a smaller size so i can put it up on here, without cropping it. Is there a way to actually make the picture not as "big".
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nvm, found resize feature
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Old 07-17-09, 06:06 PM   #5
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Paint.NET has a large user community and a lot of custom plugins (such as PSD support). It runs super fast IMO and has helped me through two *from scratch* web design contracts.
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Old 07-17-09, 08:11 PM   #6
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My computer is a 3GHZ Core 2 w/ 4GB of RAM (same as yours basically), and Photoshop runs perfectly fine for me. No lag or anything. I use the 64bit edition (with CS4) so maybe that's why.

Photoshop is incredibly powerful. There is a reason professional artists use it almost exclusively. However, if you don't know what you're doing, you'll quickly find it hard to even do something as simple as draw a circle. PSP is good for you because you've used it for the last 10 years and you know how to get stuff done. But you're not a kid anymore. You should learn how to use adult software like Photoshop. If you get good at it you could actually make a pretty decent living with it.

There are thousands of tutorials on the internet. My advice is get an academic version of Photoshop and Illustrator (really cheap) or * cough* pirate *cough*, and learn how to use it. It's a good investment of your time. Nobody in the professional world uses PSP. Everyone uses Photoshop.

Oh and forget GIMP. It's just a steaming piece, and a really bad idea. Tried that for literally 3 minutes then uninstalled it immediately.
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Old 07-18-09, 02:01 AM   #7
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My computer is a 3GHZ Core 2 w/ 4GB of RAM (same as yours basically), and Photoshop runs perfectly fine for me. No lag or anything. I use the 64bit edition (with CS4) so maybe that's why.

Photoshop is incredibly powerful. There is a reason professional artists use it almost exclusively. However, if you don't know what you're doing, you'll quickly find it hard to even do something as simple as draw a circle. PSP is good for you because you've used it for the last 10 years and you know how to get stuff done. But you're not a kid anymore. You should learn how to use adult software like Photoshop. If you get good at it you could actually make a pretty decent living with it.

There are thousands of tutorials on the internet. My advice is get an academic version of Photoshop and Illustrator (really cheap) or * cough* pirate *cough*, and learn how to use it. It's a good investment of your time. Nobody in the professional world uses PSP. Everyone uses Photoshop.

Oh and forget GIMP. It's just a steaming piece, and a really bad idea. Tried that for literally 3 minutes then uninstalled it immediately.
I don't really have any intention of doing professional graphics work, so something like Photoshop is totally unnecessary for me.

The only thing I've ever used it for was that (enormous) texture pack I made for Oblivion back in 2006 because it has very nice touch-up brushes.

For every day use, like quickly editing a photo, a quick sketch or something like that, it'd be a waste of time for me to learn a program as complicated as Photoshop, and yes it is much slower than PSP. There isn't any loading bar in PSP7. It opens as fast as an explorer window, and all effects apply instantly. I'm guessing its just because its old and doesn't have 12,000 filters and functions that I'm not going to use.

I've just been looking for something that fits my needs for a reasonable price and has little to no learning curve. So far all I've found is expensive professional grade software (Photoshop), bloated crap (GIMP), MSPaint with image filters (Paint.Net) and programs that are only for adjusting images and applying filters... not actually drawing or painting (like Irfanview).

Even the newer Paint Shop Pro versions have changed significantly and moved more toward the professional market... thanks to JASC being acquired by corel.

Anyways... if there aren't any alternatives, how cheaply would I be able to get academic versions of Photoshop and Illustrator, and how could I do this if I'm not in school?
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tried photoshop elements?
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tried photoshop elements?
I used it once or twice back in high school, but I don't remember much about it.

I may have to look into it.
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Old 07-18-09, 03:13 AM   #10
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http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/pix...eephotoedw.htm

I'm experimenting with photoscape (kind of underwhelming) and Serif photoplus right now. Serif offers the photoplus SE for free.

Edit: the free Serif has limited functionality, but not bad so far, and requires free registration. Upgrade to the full version is $9.99, which I'm considering. Pretty feature packed bit of software which is easy to use, so far.
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Excellent (and cheap) software for non-pros.
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Im just good at using photoshop cs2 which i bought second hand for 10 pounds.

So suck on that.
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