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Old 07-30-09, 09:42 PM   #49
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Not if you buy the best GPU upon release... Cheapest GTX295 is $469.99 on newegg... and its already half a year old?
Ok, so you can get a $600 graphic card. So what. You can also get a $250 card upon release that will give you enough performance to play whatever you want at maximum in-game quality, as long as you limit yourself to lower AA levels and 1920*1200 - 1680*1050. Next generation the value proposition will be even greater, as each generation pixel fillrate becomes less of an issue, and AA becomes cheaper.

I agree about Onslaught though. A lot of people found the game to slow down. But I'm so busy looking at all the beautiful scenery it doesn't bother me as much. Also, after you jack the difficulty to Delta, and get used to the play style, it becomes a lot more fun.
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Old 07-30-09, 09:46 PM   #50
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Old 07-30-09, 09:52 PM   #51
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Ok, so you can get a $600 graphic card. So what. You can also get a $250 card upon release that will give you enough performance to play whatever you want at maximum in-game quality, as long as you limit yourself to lower AA levels and 1920*1200 - 1680*1050. Next generation the value proposition will be even greater, as each generation pixel fillrate becomes less of an issue, and AA becomes cheaper.

I agree about Onslaught though. A lot of people found the game to slow down. But I'm so busy looking at all the beautiful scenery it doesn't bother me as much. Also, after you jack the difficulty to Delta, and get used to the play style, it becomes a lot more fun.
Why quote me? turdhat was the one who brought up the arguement... I was just replying to NarcissistZero claim that he was exaggerating it when technically he's not if you take the highest GPU into consideration.

I will never spend more then $300 on a GPU ever again.
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Old 07-30-09, 10:43 PM   #52
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Why quote me? turdhat was the one who brought up the arguement... I was just replying to NarcissistZero claim that he was exaggerating it when technically he's not if you take the highest GPU into consideration.

I will never spend more then $300 on a GPU ever again.
try paying ~$900 for a GPU on release, in Australia. which translates to over $800 US.
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Old 07-30-09, 10:52 PM   #53
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try paying ~$900 for a GPU on release, in Australia. which translates to over $800 US.
Pfft I thought you guys were crazy paying $100USD for games.
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Old 07-30-09, 11:13 PM   #54
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Why quote me? turdhat was the one who brought up the arguement... I was just replying to NarcissistZero claim that he was exaggerating it when technically he's not if you take the highest GPU into consideration.

I will never spend more then $300 on a GPU ever again.
It's an exaggeration as to it being required to play the newest games and all that... I got my GTX 260 like a year ago for $300 or so and it should last me 3 years total, I would think.
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Until MS takes PC gaming seriously again, who the hell is going to support DX11? I know the only people who are going to hype DX11 is MS, why?

Because they want you to buy Windows 7 this coming September, not because they want to sell you games.

Does anyone remember those awesome screens of FS X? You remember the game that would be Vista +DX10 only... and what about Alen Wake? yeah another Vista only game that is now only going to be released on a console that does not even support DX10.

AGAIN MS wants you to purchase their OS when it's released this fall, they could care less if they actually support games and or developers for PC gaming. They want to push Xbox360 gaming but still think they can trick people into buying Win7.......
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Old 07-31-09, 08:19 AM   #56
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I think I've gone through Crysis 3 times myself... once at the start, once again with new graphics, once again on hard... hard mode is awesome, by the by.
Yeah, it is awesome, as soon as you get rid of the crosshair, that's delta and its great.

I think the game is the best FPS out since 2007 (that's the date right...). Definetely great. COD4's up there too, off topic tho.
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Until MS takes PC gaming seriously again, who the hell is going to support DX11? I know the only people who are going to hype DX11 is MS, why?

Because they want you to buy Windows 7 this coming September, not because they want to sell you games.

Does anyone remember those awesome screens of FS X? You remember the game that would be Vista +DX10 only... and what about Alen Wake? yeah another Vista only game that is now only going to be released on a console that does not even support DX10.

AGAIN MS wants you to purchase their OS when it's released this fall, they could care less if they actually support games and or developers for PC gaming. They want to push Xbox360 gaming but still think they can trick people into buying Win7.......
Well everyone will support it, if only because it is apparently relatively to implement some DX11 specific effects, and a lot of DX11 stuff is a superset of previous DX models. In fact, to some degree, implementing DX11 specific features will have positive ramifications for older DX models (for instance using compute shaders... I believe DX11 exposes DX10 compute shaders). It also has benefits for code efficiency, multithreading for instance, which will benefit hardware all the way down to dx 9.0.

But I agree with the rest of your post. MS needs to throw its weight behind the PC market if the PC market is to make a resurgence. There isn't a whole lot of confidence for PC owners right now that theyll have a competitive (software wise) platform in 2 years. Heck even today it isn't so competitive.
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I should note, that one of the top selling games these past few year and IMO very good looking game(s), the latest Call of Duty series (4 and 5) still use DX9 . IW and Treyarch have no plans to push DX10 or 11 and with CoD6 right around the corner I have a feeling it will still lack any DX10/11 support.

With more and more publishers trying to maximize their profits by simply rushing a port out the door for the PC customer, there is no need to use or optimize the code for DX10/11.

Only a select few devs will go that route and hopefully pull something worth wild off for us, the PC gaming enthusiasts.
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It's an exaggeration as to it being required to play the newest games and all that... I got my GTX 260 like a year ago for $300 or so and it should last me 3 years total, I would think.
Yeah, definitely an exaggeration. My 8800GTX was top of the line card for nearly two years and I actually broke even by selling it and buying a GTX 260 last november... and I got a free copy of Far Cry 2 out of the deal.

If people want to blow money without researching and waiting for a good deal, then yeah you can spend a ton of money every year on PCs, but over the last 3 years its become unnecessary for various reasons. If you spend $200-$300 every 2-3 years to keep your graphics card up to date, and you're smart about what you buy then you'll have no problem keeping up with the latest games.
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Pfft I thought you guys were crazy paying $100USD for games.
Actually, we dont, its like $89AUD for a decent game, maybe $99, unless you're counting console games which are stupidly priced regardless


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Until MS takes PC gaming seriously again, who the hell is going to support DX11? I know the only people who are going to hype DX11 is MS, why?

Because they want you to buy Windows 7 this coming September, not because they want to sell you games.

Does anyone remember those awesome screens of FS X? You remember the game that would be Vista +DX10 only... and what about Alen Wake? yeah another Vista only game that is now only going to be released on a console that does not even support DX10.

AGAIN MS wants you to purchase their OS when it's released this fall, they could care less if they actually support games and or developers for PC gaming. They want to push Xbox360 gaming but still think they can trick people into buying Win7.......
Of course they want you to buy their OS, how else would they make money?
However, they have already stated DX11 will also be avaliable to Vista, so DX11 is not a selling point of Windows 7.
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