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Old 08-05-09, 02:44 AM   #37
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The 59hz "problem" is just Windows 7 conforming better to the EDID standard. Most monitors really run at 59.94hz. Windows 7 doesn't round to the nearest hz the way previous versions did. If you look in your monitor's OSD you'll see your display still says 60hz even though the control panel says 59hz because your monitor is still rounding up like it always has. So in essence nothing has really changed. The problem is there are a few games (it seems like very few) that are hard coded to run at 60hz, and since Windows 7 is reporting 59hz instead of 60 it is causing the game to break, even though the refresh rate hasn't really changed.

More info here:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=301860
that explains it i had DDC/CI off.

turned it on, and OS shows 59, and monitor still shows 60hz

haha, clueless folks making all this ruckus just because they don't understand DDC/CI and EDID.
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Old 08-05-09, 03:47 AM   #38
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folks making all this ruckus just because MS didn't have time to fix a simple rounding issue
Fixed.

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“If you have a monitor that exposes ~59.94 (and no other frequency that we would use for 60), we enumerate both 59 and 60 and whichever you set, we set 59.94 and persist 59.94. When the UI asks what mode we’re in we tell it we’re in 59, as you see. This is the issue we had back at the end of February when we were trying to make the last minute fixes but in the end we decided that it was too late. So it is by design for now
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Old 08-05-09, 11:24 AM   #39
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Same 59Hz here on my desktop (my bros too) but it is 60Hz on my laptop. I wonder if its only desktops that are affected but either way I've yet to run into any games that wont run.
Oh and anyone that has issues with things like Homegroups and such is just trying to convince themselves that something better is not out there


On a not related note I've noticed something nice with Win7 just by looking at my drive map in PerfectDisk 10. There is a crap load! less of "black" "excluded" blocks on the drive map. Half of my HD was full of those on Vista and only a single row in Win7. I only needed to run a one boot defrag to get things in order. Of course its only a guess on my part but its probably the reason why its so much faster. If you want to test real world speed difference between OS's I've found Steam to be quite good. Installing games in Steam even while downloading 15+ of them only takes a few seconds in W7 vs. up to a minute or more on Vista.
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Old 08-05-09, 01:50 PM   #40
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Same 59Hz here on my desktop (my bros too) but it is 60Hz on my laptop. I wonder if its only desktops that are affected but either way I've yet to run into any games that wont run.
Oh and anyone that has issues with things like Homegroups and such is just trying to convince themselves that something better is not out there
if it bothers you, turn off DDC/CI in monitor settings
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Old 08-05-09, 02:02 PM   #41
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Windows 7's feel is much improved, but actually performance varies

While Windows 7's requirements (a 1 GHz x86 processor, 1GB of RAM for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit, and support for Direct X 9) are similar to Windows Vista, its install footprint is leaner (16 GB for 32-bit versus 20 GB in Vista, 20 GB for 64-bit versus 40 GB in Vista) and its memory usage is tighter (some users have run the release candidates on systems with less than 1 GB of RAM). All of this adds up to significant improvements over Vista and a modern OS capable of running on most netbooks.

Great graphical looks, touch functionality, and new UI options make the package even sweeter. However, no matter how nice the ride looks, it's always good to look inside -- for example, the snazzy OS X Snow Leopard may look slick, but is incapable of playing most games and will only run (officially) on Mac hardware. With that in mind let's look at a recent benchmark by CNET of the Windows 7 RTM build.

Interestingly, the results were mixed. Boot times, despite dedicated tweaking from Microsoft were slightly worse than in Vista SP2 or XP SP3 (by over a second). Shutdown times, though, showed much improvement over the slow XP, and even some improvement over Vista.

Since the 7100 build, Windows 7's performance in Microsoft Office and iTunes has improved significantly. In the Office benchmark, though it still gets beat by both Vista and XP (the overall leader) and it manages to now tie with XP in iTunes (ahead of Vista). In a final Cinebench benchmark, Windows 7 performance improved between the 7100 and 7600 builds, moving it ahead of Vista and just behind XP.

Gaming results should be coming soon, which should provide more interesting analysis of the new OS's true performance. In the meantime, though, the verdict seems that despite mixed performance against XP and Vista, Windows 7 holds its own.

As the experience and feel are much smoother than the previous two OS's, the standstill in performance, normally a bad thing, probably will be sufficient for Windows 7 to see great commercial success. Windows 7 completes Vista's ascent into a OS X level of user interface polish, while holding its ground in performance, something that has placed Windows ahead of competitors Linux and OS X.
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Old 08-05-09, 02:40 PM   #42
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if it bothers you, turn off DDC/CI in monitor settings
Nah no bothers here but thanks for the info. If I run into any app problems I will give that a shot tho. thx much
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I found this guide that might be of use for those with this resolution problem:

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...esh-rates.html
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I did not find it any faster though it may be on a lower end PC. It comes with no email client but half the old Windows Mail program's files are still sitting there...WTF? I don't care if they remove it, but....well REMOVE it, don't just break it.
It appears that it isn't exactly broken, just disabled. Therefore leaving that option to turn it on...if a person chooses:

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html

Personally, I will never use it, because I prefer another email client that I have purchased (The Bat), so I'm wondering what would happen if I deleted the Winmail folder in Program Files & Program file(x86)? Perhaps that would prevent it from running as a process.
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Old 08-08-09, 11:06 PM   #45
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Yes, yes it is. Vista was buggy as hell and still is.

Yes, every enthusiast on this forum can and does get it to work well but point is - the common people using PC's don't. They can barely turn on the computer let alone ATTEMPT anything we discuss on this forum.

Point is - for the average user, it was a pain in the ass. W7 completely re-defines Vista and while it isn't a "new" O/S, it brings a lot to the table, including an easier experience for the end user.

Go with W7. Anyone who wouldn't install it over Vista, well, have fun with Vista. The failed O/S.
Vista and Win7 are so damn similar that if you alrady have Vista IMO the only thing you should be possibly purchasing Win7 for is either the enhanced UI or the networking options. Ok Libraries. But certainly not for the performance. It is very similar speed, especially after service tweaks, which we all do.
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