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Old 09-05-09, 04:32 AM   #1
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Okay, I know everyone hates the "PC gaming is dead" argument, but it seems pretty clear from everywhere I've looked that it's in a really, really bad shape. Looking at play.com's top 50 sellers list, it looks like it's barely even got a pulse. Crysis is at something like #4 and that came out aaages ago, WoW seems to appear as every second entry, and some of the games listed in it aren't even on sale at the moment. Looking around at other top seller lists from the likes of Amazon, it seems to be much the same everywhere you go. I've been looking around ATI and nVidia's gamer sites, and there doesn't seem to be anything much apart from WoW clones and a couple of RTS games that don't seem that interesting. There just seems to be nothing new.

I know Microsoft are continuing to push Dx11 for us gamers. Win7 is meant to make life better still for us. ATi and nVidia are still bringing out cards. But software houses, what are they doing?

I'm curious. What are your thoughts on the future of PC gaming? Is it dead? Was 2007 the last great year? Is there new stuff coming out that you know of? Have there been exciting new titles released over the past year that I've just missed completely? If PC gaming is dead, what do you see as being the future for all the companies who made their money out of the PC gaming market?

I don't really want PC gaming to be dead. If you guys have any interesting thoughts on its future, I'd really like to hear them.
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Old 09-05-09, 05:13 AM   #2
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I think it'll continue on as it has for a while.

It will most likely see a bit of a comeback over time as the current generation of consoles starts showing its age and the cost of a gaming-capable computer comes down.

I think with the right marketing it could be in much better shape.

For example, if people were exposed to ads for "HD gaming PCs" that they could connect to their new HDTV with a single HDMI cable and play the latest games online for free, with better graphics than any current console and the added bonus of having a very nice multimedia computer for movies\music\internet. A few different tiers of systems like that with an actual marketing campaign and decent prices would probably help out a lot.

As with anything these days though, the economy isn't helping. Its still less expensive to just buy a 360 or PS3 and a couple games than it is to set up a gaming PC, so that will always have a negative impact on PC sales.

If retail stores made some effort to push PCs for gaming or at least sell PCs that can play something other than Peggle, that would also help significantly. Currently the fastest graphics cards you can get in PCs at wal-mart are either integrated Radeon HD3200 chips (780G) or a 9600M GT in a laptop... which is half the speed of the desktop counterpart. And generally, you're spending $700-$900 to get systems with either of those.
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Old 09-05-09, 07:22 AM   #3
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Okay, I know everyone hates the "PC gaming is dead" argument, but it seems pretty clear from everywhere I've looked that it's in a really, really bad shape. Looking at play.com's top 50 sellers list, it looks like it's barely even got a pulse. Crysis is at something like #4 and that came out aaages ago, WoW seems to appear as every second entry, and some of the games listed in it aren't even on sale at the moment. Looking around at other top seller lists from the likes of Amazon, it seems to be much the same everywhere you go. I've been looking around ATI and nVidia's gamer sites, and there doesn't seem to be anything much apart from WoW clones and a couple of RTS games that don't seem that interesting. There just seems to be nothing new.

I know Microsoft are continuing to push Dx11 for us gamers. Win7 is meant to make life better still for us. ATi and nVidia are still bringing out cards. But software houses, what are they doing?

I'm curious. What are your thoughts on the future of PC gaming? Is it dead? Was 2007 the last great year? Is there new stuff coming out that you know of? Have there been exciting new titles released over the past year that I've just missed completely? If PC gaming is dead, what do you see as being the future for all the companies who made their money out of the PC gaming market?

I don't really want PC gaming to be dead. If you guys have any interesting thoughts on its future, I'd really like to hear them.
I'm playing some great 2009 games right now. Not sure why you'd think 2007 was the last good gaming year. 2008 had some incredible games as well. PC gaming is fine if you dont mind ports (alot of been very good) and not having to upgrade your GPU as the ports from consoles dont require any more power than we already have. I'm kinda happy with not having to upgrade for most of these games.
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Old 09-05-09, 07:55 AM   #4
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I think it'll continue on as it has for a while.

It will most likely see a bit of a comeback over time as the current generation of consoles starts showing its age and the cost of a gaming-capable computer comes down.

I think with the right marketing it could be in much better shape.

For example, if people were exposed to ads for "HD gaming PCs" that they could connect to their new HDTV with a single HDMI cable and play the latest games online for free, with better graphics than any current console and the added bonus of having a very nice multimedia computer for movies\music\internet. A few different tiers of systems like that with an actual marketing campaign and decent prices would probably help out a lot.

As with anything these days though, the economy isn't helping. Its still less expensive to just buy a 360 or PS3 and a couple games than it is to set up a gaming PC, so that will always have a negative impact on PC sales.

If retail stores made some effort to push PCs for gaming or at least sell PCs that can play something other than Peggle, that would also help significantly. Currently the fastest graphics cards you can get in PCs at wal-mart are either integrated Radeon HD3200 chips (780G) or a 9600M GT in a laptop... which is half the speed of the desktop counterpart. And generally, you're spending $700-$900 to get systems with either of those.
I agree with what you said totally. Seems like PC Gaming is such a side note in the market that its doing worse because hardware manufacturers just don't care as much as console manufacturers. Do you ever seen an ad on TV for a Nvidia graphics card stating "playing batman on your pc with the best graphics using nvidia".

In stores its worse the OEM PCs don't have the capabilities at the "medium" price range to play most high end games at decent settings. Yes you can get a gaming PC but the average person doesn't know the difference between the hardware and will go after the price, the sales reps also don't inform them properly. You know how often I go to Best Buy and hear a rep telling someone that the laptop can play PC games because it has 4GB of ram? All the time. The only thing the standard consumer knows about PCs are RAM and Hard Drive space. They don't even know the difference between Intel, AMD, Dual Core, Quad Core... none of that.

The PC Market is in a slump in short because of bad information given to customers and bad marketing. It wont improve untill the lowest common denominator at Best Buy is gaming capable or untill Nvidia and ATI start properly informing people about the difference between a real gaming PC and a gaming PC from Best Buy.
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We shouldn't have mroe than 3 models of a GPU for that generation

Cheap Version 4850
Moderate Perfm Version 4870
Extreme Perfm 4870x2? Something SLI

Same for CPU's, Motherboards/Ram.

Those who dont know much about pc's will get ripped off by having inferior hardware sold at high prices and advertised as a gaming pc.

In terms of games that are coming out for the PC, they are fine. Most popular games are out on PC via port either by delay or released togeather. I don't think anyone really cares if crap games dont make into PC.
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Old 09-05-09, 08:19 AM   #6
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We've hit a slump that's for sure, the PC platform and the gaming industry as a whole needs a shake up. One which has started in the form of indie games. Thank God for devs like CD Projekt, Telltale and the decent ports we have been seeing, without those we'd be in a much sadder place.

Side Note: Things are quite good if you are an old school gamer. Monkey Island, Sam and Max. Too bad they don't take advantage of an SLI machine. ::
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Old 09-05-09, 08:33 AM   #7
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In times when Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo attacks media everyday with their marketing I think that most people don't even know what PC gaming is, those simple minded people thinks that PC is only The Sims and World of Warcraft. Another thing is that consoles as a hardware are not promoted as 3GHz hardware with 512MB of ram and 10GB hard drive. Their are promoted AS A GAMES. Nintendo comes with pair of Mario and Sports games, Microsoft got Forza and Halo and Sony got Killlzone and Gran Turismo. Graphic card advertise that will be telling aobut 896MB of VRam, 650mHz GPU etc will say nothing to typical PC user. Marketing of mainstream and enthusiast PC's should go in pair with games. I think Nvidia and Ati should do more to indentificate their product's with games.
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For example, if people were exposed to ads for "HD gaming PCs" that they could connect to their new HDTV with a single HDMI cable and play the latest games online for free, with better graphics than any current console and the added bonus of having a very nice multimedia computer for movies\music\internet. A few different tiers of systems like that with an actual marketing campaign and decent prices would probably help out a lot.
^This and someone should make a WMC-like interface for windows so that it would resemble consoles more and make things more simplified.
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Old 09-05-09, 08:42 AM   #9
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It's all just a matter of money IMO. Economy has been sucking more and more every year so companies simply refocus more every year. Game market is huge and over saturated nowadays so projected profits are much thinner than years past. They find that PC does not make as much bottom line or easy money as consoles so priority goes there.
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PC gaming is going strong in my neck of the woods.

We've got Aion coming, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age, Jumpgate, Startrek Online, Starwars the old republic, Black prophecy, Secret World, Earthrise, Guild Wars II, Diablo III, Mafia II, plus many many more.

Gaming is very much alive on the PC.
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VG247 has details from their podcast interview with Capcom's Christian Svensson, who reveals they are working on a couple of games designed for PC to be ported to consoles, rather than their usual MO, which is the reverse. Word is:
"We do have a couple of products in development which are PC-lead, that are not announced yet," he said. "That doesn’t mean that that content isn’t also going to show up on console, because it will."

"But the pedigree of the team and the primary focus of the design is around the PC, and the largest forecast is on PC for at least one of these projects."
It's not all doom and gloom on the PC front.
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