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Old 11-08-09, 12:45 PM   #37
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He didn't think to start with a petition? Apparently 314 million people are visually impaired worldwide, 45 million of them are blind. 1/3 of them maybe game. Perhaps contacting some game media?

But no, lets make some easy money and go for the lawsuit and out of court settlement.
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Old 11-08-09, 02:02 PM   #38
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A petition like of the MW2 fans?

And where is written that he wants money?
He wants a large Ford or something like that.
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Old 11-08-09, 02:25 PM   #39
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He didn't think to start with a petition? Apparently 314 million people are visually impaired worldwide, 45 million of them are blind. 1/3 of them maybe game. Perhaps contacting some game media?

But no, lets make some easy money and go for the lawsuit and out of court settlement.
I hope sony pursues it, hires some kick ass lawyers, wins the case, and all it does is cost Mr. Magoo a stack load in lawyers bills.

This entire thing is rediculous....the visually impaired are by definition NOT the target market for visual entertainment...duh!

This is the same as a man with no legs complaining to Reebok that his sneakers don't fit. For **** Sakes...
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Old 11-08-09, 02:51 PM   #40
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Not if he wants to change something in general and when they totally ignore him.
Fine, let's start suing people over everything that upsets us, and has no real effect on our lives.
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Old 11-08-09, 03:27 PM   #41
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Here's some facts you might want to know.

About 314 million people are visually impaired worldwide, 45 million of them are blind.

My guess, maybe 1/3 of them play games (blind people do play games as well with special equipments). Still a lot of numbers.
What does that have to do with anything? Stop turning this into a sob story for impaired people and start telling me why it is a legal disability rights issue.
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Old 11-08-09, 05:02 PM   #42
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What does that have to do with anything? Stop turning this into a sob story for impaired people and start telling me why it is a legal disability rights issue.
You said you assumed visually impaired market is too small to be worth the bother. So, I gave you the real facts. Also there's a lot of games that offers option for visually impaired gamers.

I never said I support the idea of lawsuit, although it may be ridiculous. But I'm being logical about what makes him to sue. He probably will lose the battle but that will spread much stronger message around game makers to think twice about having options for visually impaired gamers in their future games. Creating a petition, boycott or so may not be most efficient.

The reason I'm backing this up because I had similar experiences with frustration with discrimination in real life. I had to deal with them every once a while. Hotel doesn't provide ADA kits, when I asked for it (it's required by law that all hotels have them, so I could sue and win easily). It MIGHT apply for this situation, if Judge finds MMO games as public accommodation.

ADA law states: "No individual shall be discriminated against on the basis of disability in the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of any place of public accommodation by any person who owns, leases (or leases to), or operates a place of public accommodation."

Anyway, sorry if I feel I could relate with him and his frustration although my experiences were different. You can't deny that he's trying to change something in game industry for visually impaired gamers, not for money.
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I m going to put my weight into this thread.

Yeah silly lawsuit. However, if your disabled in some way, like i am, then the would world really changes. My disability is an invisible and rare one, but has a profound impact on my life.

I have a condition call hyperacusis with recruitment. Both are similiar hearing conditions that make me VERY sensitive to sound. I cannot shower without ear plugs, walk next to a road without earplugs, i have all movies and games on silent. All games. Wear one earplug driving around town in my bad ear, two usually when i m on the highway. Sometimes its gotten so bad that I couldn't be around because because they talked too loud.

But anyway, it really makes my day when a game is closed captioned and i fume when there are no subtitles at all. Those are of course trivial things compared to what else i go through but what i mean to say that these things that fully able people can ignore or never have to think about really make the difference for those who aren't fully able in some way. So maybe this is a good thing. Maybe gaming for those who are hearing and visually impaired can improve. Cause i almost jumped for joy and i figured out that left for dead has closed captions that tell me when boss infected are near. All I am saying is that this could be good.
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I know this may sound like a retarded question, but when you put movies/games on silent, do you hear anything? what about on lowest setting? too loud?
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I know this may sound like a retarded question, but when you put movies/games on silent, do you hear anything? what about on lowest setting? too loud?
I can put it on the low setting, but once the loud music/gunfires kicks in, the volume at which i can her people talk (i'm slightly hearing impaired as well, I know its a contradiction) is were gunfire and effects get me in a bad way.

But at a distance i can listen to tv at a reasonable volume. Stuff like talk shows or sports games. Even then i like the closed captions.

I'm so used to subtitles that I make up voices for every character when I'm watching tv or dvds. Sometimes i make up sounds for games too.
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Old 11-08-09, 10:19 PM   #47
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I m going to put my weight into this thread.

Yeah silly lawsuit. However, if your disabled in some way, like i am, then the would world really changes. My disability is an invisible and rare one, but has a profound impact on my life.

I have a condition call hyperacusis with recruitment. Both are similiar hearing conditions that make me VERY sensitive to sound. I cannot shower without ear plugs, walk next to a road without earplugs, i have all movies and games on silent. All games. Wear one earplug driving around town in my bad ear, two usually when i m on the highway. Sometimes its gotten so bad that I couldn't be around because because they talked too loud.

But anyway, it really makes my day when a game is closed captioned and i fume when there are no subtitles at all. Those are of course trivial things compared to what else i go through but what i mean to say that these things that fully able people can ignore or never have to think about really make the difference for those who aren't fully able in some way. So maybe this is a good thing. Maybe gaming for those who are hearing and visually impaired can improve. Cause i almost jumped for joy and i figured out that left for dead has closed captions that tell me when boss infected are near. All I am saying is that this could be good.
Now I can agree with subtitles. I do not have a hearing condition but I enjoy subtitles. Even in movies, I watch them with subtitles because then I can follow more easily and sometimes I find myself rewinding videos because I didn't quite make out what someone said.

Subtitles are a simple thing to add to any game, but accomodating visually impaired people requires a LOT more work than simply adding subtitles. Also, we don't see lawsuits over games that don't have subtitles (although I think all games should).
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Old 11-08-09, 10:22 PM   #48
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ADA law states: "No individual shall be discriminated against on the basis of disability in the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of any place of public accommodation by any person who owns, leases (or leases to), or operates a place of public accommodation."
Sure, but where does it say entertainment? Are you calling online games "places of public accomodation"?
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