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Old 12-11-09, 11:41 PM   #1
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Default Phenom II X4 965BE vs. Core i5 750

I'm probably going to do a small overhaul of my current system, including a new CPU, Motherboard, RAM, and possibly video card. I'm absolutely torn between getting these two processors:


AMD Phenom II X4 965BE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103727

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Intel Core i5 750
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115215




Both have very similar scores in benchmarks, and both are a tick under $200.

So which one should I get???
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Default Re: Phenom II X4 965BE vs. Core i5 750

Do they both overclock the same?
I think it will be a close race....
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The Phenom II has an unlocked core
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Hard call.
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Old 12-12-09, 09:46 AM   #5
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The Phenom II has an unlocked core
Umm... this one doesn't. The 965 is already a quad-core.

AM3 has a future- all of AMD's top-end CPUs for the foreseeable future will be released on AM3. LGA1156 however, will never see Intel's 6-core offerings and it'll be phased out rather quickly. I'm getting the impression LGA1156 will be to LGA1366 as s754 was to s939... if that makes any sense.

Unless you can go LGA1366, go with AMD all the way. At least with AMD you'll have an upgrade path. Not to mention their newer chipset which has native support for USB3.0 and SATA 6Gbps will be released before too much longer, first half of next year I believe?
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Umm... this one doesn't. The 965 is already a quad-core.

AM3 has a future- all of AMD's top-end CPUs for the foreseeable future will be released on AM3. LGA1156 however, will never see Intel's 6-core offerings and it'll be phased out rather quickly. I'm getting the impression LGA1156 will be to LGA1366 as s754 was to s939... if that makes any sense.

Unless you can go LGA1366, go with AMD all the way. At least with AMD you'll have an upgrade path. Not to mention their newer chipset which has native support for USB3.0 and SATA 6Gbps will be released before too much longer, first half of next year I believe?
Not sure what you mean, but I'm pretty sure Shamrock means unlocked multiplier, which all Black editions have. Their dual core Blacks have them as well, so being a quad isn't really pertinent unless I'm missing your meaning?
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If you look at the reviews, they are both excellent overclockers. However, the i5 may have a slight edge in final performance overclocked. The 965BE does have an unlocked multiplier, which is great but it also means I'll have to buy high performance ram to take advantage of this. However, the current AM2+/AM3 motherboards are generally around $50 cheaper than corresponding 1156 motherboards, so I could get a really nice HSF to go with the 965BE where as I would probably have to wait to get one with the i5 750... but, I can buy cheaper RAM with the i5. Socket AM3 is more futureproof though, so I can expect to do a direct upgrade in the future if I go that path...


Ugh. This is a tough one.



EDIT: I did some research on the two different platforms. No matter what I chose, in order to get exactly the same thing that AMD had, I had to spend between $40-$50 more on a motherboard for the i5. I'm starting to lean towards the 965BE now...
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Old 12-12-09, 11:29 AM   #8
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If nothing better comes up over the next few months I've pretty much decided on the 965 myself. As the primary use for my rig is gaming there isn't a whole lot of point to spending more cash for a shorter lived platform. Whatever I get I want it to be viable for as long as possible for the least amount of $$.

EDIT: running an E8500 and X38 @ 3.8Ghz now, so I'm in no hurry, but I would like more next year.
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Not sure what you mean, but I'm pretty sure Shamrock means unlocked multiplier, which all Black editions have. Their dual core Blacks have them as well, so being a quad isn't really pertinent unless I'm missing your meaning?
The new dual and tri-core chips based on the new Phenom II often have "unlockable" cores- meaning you can unlock the one or two disabled cores, allowing you to have an incredibly cheap quad core. Of course, you do this at your own risk- those cores where disabled for a reason.

This is what I thought he was referring to, figured he might have misread read the model number or such... if he was referring to the multiplier then my bad. Simple misunderstanding.

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If you look at the reviews, they are both excellent overclockers. However, the i5 may have a slight edge in final performance overclocked. The 965BE does have an unlocked multiplier, which is great but it also means I'll have to buy high performance ram to take advantage of this. However, the current AM2+/AM3 motherboards are generally around $50 cheaper than corresponding 1156 motherboards, so I could get a really nice HSF to go with the 965BE where as I would probably have to wait to get one with the i5 750... but, I can buy cheaper RAM with the i5. Socket AM3 is more futureproof though, so I can expect to do a direct upgrade in the future if I go that path...


Ugh. This is a tough one.



EDIT: I did some research on the two different platforms. No matter what I chose, in order to get exactly the same thing that AMD had, I had to spend between $40-$50 more on a motherboard for the i5. I'm starting to lean towards the 965BE now...
I can promise you- you *will not* be disappointed with the AMD. They are great chips, with a great platform. Honestly, if you want Intel go LGA1366. If you cannot, then you'd be foolish to not go AMD. LGA1156 is a joke, IMO, just as s754 was back in the K8 days.
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The new dual and tri-core chips based on the new Phenom II often have "unlockable" cores- meaning you can unlock the one or two disabled cores, allowing you to have an incredibly cheap quad core. Of course, you do this at your own risk- those cores where disabled for a reason.

This is what I thought he was referring to, figured he might have misread read the model number or such... if he was referring to the multiplier then my bad. Simple misunderstanding.
Ah, forgot all about that. Thanks for clearing that up.

I discard info I will never use. I would much rather spend a few extra $ for the guaranteed product myself than take a chance that it might unlock for me.

Just my preference is all, even though it was good to see some folks getting quad value off a Tri price point.
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Ah, forgot all about that. Thanks for clearing that up.

I discard info I will never use. I would much rather spend a few extra $ for the guaranteed product myself than take a chance that it might unlock for me.

Just my preference is all, even though it was good to see some folks getting quad value off a Tri price point.
I'm right there with ya' buddy.

Though for somebody on a budget with the technical know-how... I can see the attraction.

However, I'd much prefer to not gamble that the disabled cores could be made functional. I'd just do without for a bit longer and save up for "the real deal".
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I'm right there with ya' buddy.

Though for somebody on a budget with the technical know-how... I can see the attraction.

However, I'd much prefer to not gamble that the disabled cores could be made functional. I'd just do without for a bit longer and save up for "the real deal".
Yep, agreed.

my only worry WRT AMD is mobo reviews and out of the box reliability. They don't seem as consistent as intel based chipsets.

But I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
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