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Old 12-13-09, 12:35 AM   #25
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Default Re: Phenom II X4 965BE vs. Core i5 750

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You're friends either don't know what their doing or got unlucky. I the 750 is a superior chip in pretty much every aspect to the 965. That being said, the AM3 platform will probably have more longevity (and it's not like the 965 is bad lol).
The i5 750 "IS" the superior chip. I completely agree with this. However, since a good motherboard for that chip costs about $50 more than a similar AM3 motherboard, the price for the platform is significantly higher than that of an AM3. I can pay about $400-420 for a 965be, Gigabyte motherboard w/ Crossfire, and 4GB of DDR3. It takes about $480 to get a similar setup equipped with the i5 750.

Once again, the i5 is the superior chip, but the 965be is the superior platform (and value)


...and for gaming, good luck telling the difference.
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Old 12-13-09, 12:37 AM   #26
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You're friends either don't know what their doing or got unlucky. I the 750 is a superior chip in pretty much every aspect to the 965. That being said, the AM3 platform will probably have more longevity (and it's not like the 965 is bad lol).
Superior in every way only if you use your PC primarily for benchmarking.

I mean, are you going to pull out the rare application that 99% of the general population will never use that the i5 flat out smokes the Phenom IIs as an actually basis for that statement?

Movie playback, video games, browsing the web- things most folks use their computers for, unless you had some tool monitoring the CPU's performance side by side you'd be hard pressed to notice a difference.

Honest truth? At the desktop my Phenom 9600 BE was every bit as fast as this i7 920 is (both @ stock clocks). And, by at the desktop, I mean multi-tasking with many apps open at once.

In game isn't a fair comparison as for the 9600 rig I had dual 9600GTs, for my i7 setup I'm running dual 8800GTXs.

Considering the LGA1156 has such a short life span, and considering how stellar the AMD platform performs, only a fanboy or fool would chose the LGA1156 route... IMO.
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Old 12-13-09, 02:43 AM   #27
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^^ I meant this. regarding BE
Exactly, when AMD labels their chips "BE" Black Edition, it means that they do not have a locked multiplier. (unlocked).
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Old 12-13-09, 02:56 AM   #28
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Like Redeemed said, I don't look at benchmarks and think "this is how that CPU will perform in real life situations" because benchmarks are 90% BS when it comes to CPU's. Anything synthetic tells you next to nothing, and other benchmarks still don't reflect actual performance. Look at SuperPi, based on outdated x87 code and extremely slow at calculating the the value of Pi, why is it used?

Even game benchmarks, I don't game at low resolution, so why should I look at low res benchmarks and think "wow the intel CPU will be 10fps faster at games!" Everyone always argues that this is simply making the CPU the limitation and when new CPU bound games come out these are the results you will see. BS, CPU's don't always scale linearly. While the i5 may perform great at low res, or lower clock speeds, when you up the res or the clock speed it may not scale as you would expect. This is what I found comparing friends i5's to Ph II's. While the i5 outperformed the Ph II at lower clock speed, when you overclock both (to 3.8, since one of my friends got his stable at that speed but then later found it unstable) the phenom scaled better than the i5. Not in all games, but many.

And it's backed up here.



And that isn't even overclocking the NB from 2GHz, which I found has a huge gain in most cases.

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You're friends either don't know what their doing or got unlucky. I the 750 is a superior chip in pretty much every aspect to the 965. That being said, the AM3 platform will probably have more longevity (and it's not like the 965 is bad lol).
I'm sorry but I hate it when people say this. Everyone said to me that my 9550 should reach at least 3.8GHz if not 4GHz. Yes, it got to 3.8 but at a stupid voltage with high temps. At 4GHz I never got it into windows.

As I said I have a few friends with experience at overclocking and have read up on the tweaks for i5/i7 systems and one got to 3.5 the other 3.6 both with 750's. The same friend with the 3.6GHz 750 has a 955BE that got to 3.8GHz and another friend has a 965 which made 4.1GHz. These are completely prime stable settings with manageable temperatures. While the i5 is faster than the phenom clock for clock this changes at around 3.6GHz where the phenom continues to scale while the i5 sees little benefit in real life situations.
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Old 12-13-09, 03:38 PM   #29
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I the 750 is a superior chip in pretty much every aspect to the 965
I love lines like that, so full of it, with no evidence backing any of it up. That and the comparable i5 chip costs $20-$30 more than the 965be chip. What is even more pivotal, is that imo, intel chip sets tend to offer less features, worse drivers, and cost more.

Anyhow, if your interested in overclocking.. AMD (yes AMD) has made a guide
http://game.amd.com/us-en/content/pd...ning_Guide.pdf

And offers software
http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_overdrive.aspx?p=1

Intel relegates overclockers to back room status.
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Old 12-14-09, 08:49 AM   #31
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The key here is, there isn't a bad choice. Both platforms will perform like hotrods on nitrous as long as you do your research to put together a well-balanced system with quality parts that compliment each other.

Dude, make a choice, build the thing and enjoy it...for a year or so. Then start wondering what you will upgrade, tweak, replace and wish you had more.

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Default Re: Phenom II X4 965BE vs. Core i5 750

We're always going to wish we had more. If I could afford the price premium, I'd move to an i7 975, and call it a night. However, I can get the exact processor, motherboard, memory, and video card that I want for about $200 less than the top end i7 975 itself.

For the price to performace ratio, the 965BE is an incredible value. The platform is rock solid. AMD even has a guide on its site on how to properly overclock these chips. That by itself is worth the $195 price tag for one of these processors.
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Default Re: Phenom II X4 965BE vs. Core i5 750

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I love lines like that, so full of it, with no evidence backing any of it up. That and the comparable i5 chip costs $20-$30 more than the 965be chip. What is even more pivotal, is that imo, intel chip sets tend to offer less features, worse drivers, and cost more.

Anyhow, if your interested in overclocking.. AMD (yes AMD) has made a guide
http://game.amd.com/us-en/content/pd...ning_Guide.pdf

And offers software
http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_overdrive.aspx?p=1

Intel relegates overclockers to back room status.
The info is out there. I never said it was the better platform, but it's a better chip period.
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Old 12-14-09, 02:54 PM   #34
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Default Re: Phenom II X4 965BE vs. Core i5 750

I pulled the trigger and ordered! Here's what I got

Phenom II X4 965be (125w)
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G.Skill 2x2GB PC3 12800 DDR3 1600 memory

Hopefully this will be here this week. I'll let you guys know how it runs when I get it!
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Old 12-14-09, 03:22 PM   #35
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Nice!! Post benchmarks for sure
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+1 looking forward to your impressions too!
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