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Old 01-13-10, 05:49 PM   #1
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...does its hardware rival top-of-the-line PCs of that time? When the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 were released, which "range" of PCs did their hardware rival at that time?
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Old 01-13-10, 05:59 PM   #2
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...does its hardware rival top-of-the-line PCs of that time? When the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 were released, which "range" of PCs did their hardware rival at that time?
No, never. Xbox 360 was like a 3 year old PC at that time.
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Old 01-13-10, 06:20 PM   #3
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No, never. Xbox 360 was like a 3 year old PC at that time.
Not quite, i think it was closer to a year date for some components, more for others like RAM and less for others like the GPU.

For instance the 360 had an R500 based GPU - i think - which came out in 2005ish and the XBox itself was relased November 2005, so it wasn't too far behind then.

However i agree with the principle that consoles even at point of release can't compete with PC's.
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The 360 was a pretty good PC, remember they took losses on the hardware in the first few years (both MS and Sony). But it's not necessarily because each of the parts separately is better, in fact didn't carmack say apples to applies the power pc cpu was rubbish compared to the AMDs at the time? It's more the combination of parts, maximizing effectiveness, minimizing bottlenecks I guess.
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There are also other advantages; since the console is dedicated, it doesn't have a lot of the overhead that PCs have. Also, developers have a lot of low level access so they can do optimization tricks to get optimal performance out of the hardware.

That said, a top PC is usually faster, and now that we're entering an era where top end PCs use a lot more power and require more exotic coolign solutions, I doubt a console will reasonably be able to outclass a top PC nowadays.
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No, never. Xbox 360 was like a 3 year old PC at that time.
I'd side more with you. Consoles were never really "up to date" when they came out. The results they produce were seen on PC's for years (read 2 maybe 3).

I never understood why people defend consoles so much... They ruin games and create obnoxious children
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On paper they can't compete with top end PC's, but in practise they are usually right up there with top end PC's of the time.

The X360's Xenos GPU was actually better in most ways than R500, it only lacked memory bandwidth for main memory. For the frame buffer it had 10MB of e-DRAM which is still faster than todays GPU's main memory.

What you can expect for future consoles is more of the same. On par with the GPU, a bit behind with CPU, more behind with memory capacity and bandwidth. I do however believe that next gen consoles will have at least 2GB of system memory, and as such, aren't going to quickly lag behind in that department simply because the need for more than 2GB of memory in 2012-2018 will be a lot less than the need for more than 512MB in 2006-2012. Because of this, the difference in texture resolution between PC and console games won't be as noticable.

On top of this, next gen consoles will definitely do 1080p hopefully with some AA. So PC's won't have the resolution advantage for most people anymore.
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I think HUGE progress has been made with memory in the last 5 years.

12 gigs of RAM in PC's is not uncommon now, and Ram is getting hellsih fast too.

5 years ago, 4 gigs of RAM was extreme.

Also the next gen of consoles will be much more than 1080p capable.
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Why would they use more than 1080p when there are no TV's set for release that use higher than 1080p? On top of that, it's taken long enough for Blu-Rays to actually sell at a half decent rate, why would they go higher than 1080p and have to release another standard with even smaller visual difference over the previous. The general public just wouldn't buy into it! Maybe in 2018+ when a blu-ray replacement isn't necessary since everything will likely be digitally distrubuted.

The demand for more memory has really died on the consumer side. For servers, it's still strong, but servers use registered memory and as such can use a lot more DIMMs. The fact that DDR3 is as old as it is and we still don't have 4GB DIMMs (using 2Gb chips) just shows that the demand isn't what it used to me. Why? Because the general public don't need more than 4GB.
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It depends on the kind of PC you have, I have always had "high mid-range" gaming PCs, the best of the sensibly priced components, and when a console first comes out it generally beats my PC. The 360 did, I know that.

But I upgraded less than a year after the 360 came out and suddenly my PC was like 4 times better. The technology really leaps that fast. An absolute top of the line gaming PC would wipe the floor with the the day of release.

This is all assuming of course that the next step in consoles will be a similar upgrade, but I doubt it. There will probably be even more unique tech like the cell, some kind of CPU/GPU combo and unique memory architecture. Add on top of that the fact they will likely make a smaller leap and keep 1080p as max and focus on motion controls and you have a setup much different from the basic PC perhaps.

There really could be a wider divide coming, it will be interesting.
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Really? I could have sworn i read somewhere that cinema resolution TV's were going to be marketed quite soon. Extreme HD and all that jazz.
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Really? I could have sworn i read somewhere that cinema resolution TV's were going to be marketed quite soon. Extreme HD and all that jazz.
I don't see why they would do that when 1080p adoption rates are so low.
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