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Old 01-31-10, 07:41 PM   #229
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Well said as well Dog.

I just get really, really, really tired sometimes on this site of the fanboyism that exists here. I post here and at Rage, and own both brands of cards. If one is faster/better/more feature rich than the other, so be it....give them thier due.

Now I agree let's all get along..........and wait on Fermi........then ATI's refresh......then let the real fun begin!!

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Old 02-01-10, 01:21 PM   #230
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I think it would be wise to wait and see how long these new fermi cards will last. They could start crapping out in less than years. They will be using more power, thus more heat, and who knows, they might experience the same solder issue the 8800s had. I say keep what ya got and make the best of it cuz the days of quality products are gone.
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Old 02-01-10, 02:07 PM   #231
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I think it would be wise to wait and see how long these new fermi cards will last. They could start crapping out in less than years. They will be using more power, thus more heat, and who knows, they might experience the same solder issue the 8800s had. I say keep what ya got and make the best of it cuz the days of quality products are gone.

To a certain extent,i'd agree that overall quality isn't that great for consumer electronics in general,but that's primarily due to the price points you have to hit to keep them affordable,so the design,testing and assembly techniques,as well as the quality of the individual parts suffers to an extent because of it.


I work as an avionics technician,where the electrical and electronic systems within a plane are subjected to much stricter guidelines regarding testing,quality control and assembly techniques used,because the last thing i want on my conscience is having a plane with passengers aboard falling due to something i did wrong on my end of things,and the company i work for supplies several airplane builders(Boeing,Airbus,bombardier,bell helicopter and even the US air force itself).


The most important thing to consider here is that if the same rules were applied to consumer electronics,you'd have them last 20+ years without a single failure in a given unit at all,since every unit is fully tested very carefully in many aspects,but you'd also have to be prepared to pay a fortune for that kind of quality,along the lines of your widescreen LCD TV costing as much as a new car,so quality has a steep price,and it's the reason why planes are so expensive....


Here's an example,take your average 747 airplane and it weighs about 250 tons empty....There's likely 250 tons of documentation on every single part that went into that particular plane,right down to the last washer,bolt or rivet regarding where did those parts come from,who installed them,using the latest process sheet,who was the inspector for the installation of that part(it's never the installer who inspects his own work),and who did the final testing to see that everything,and i mean everything is working exactly to the latest specifications set by the engineering team.


It's quality testing standards gone insane,but it's the reason why there's relatively few airplane accidents that are actually due to a hardware failure these days.
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Old 02-02-10, 03:12 AM   #232
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Saying it's the "majority" is going a little far. There are a ton of guys around here right now that are still running 5xxx series cards that were running Nvidia prior.



As a result of digital vibrance, probably. ATI also has the same option called "Avivo Color":



And this, I feel, is another case of people just being so used to Nvidia that they don't want to make a change. That's fine that you're used to something. Just don't make it sound like ATI doesn't have the same functionality. A lot of the complaints I've seen around here about problems getting AA to work or lack of digital vibrance are things that would take a few minutes to figure out if the user had the patience to do so instead of just looking for a reason to go back to Nvidia. I don't understand why a lot of these guys don't find an ATI support forum to ask these questions at instead of complaining about them on an Nvidia forum. I know that Eric Demers, lead designer of the 5xxx series, hangs out on Rage3D a lot and answers questions and concerns from people all the time.

With the exception of a few more bugs in media playback, you can pretty much get the same experience from ATI as you can from Nvidia. They just implement things differently.

I do agree with slawter that ATI has more bugs in non-gaming usage but, like some others, I have a separate box for that kind of stuff. I don't see the point in using a rig that consumes up to 700-800w regularly for things that a lesser machine can do just fine.
Thanks X2, didn't know those options where in the drivers. The scaling options where the ones I thought ATI didn't have but they do.
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Old 02-06-10, 02:31 AM   #233
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the GT300 series , or even GT400 series, must exceed HD 5870
not suspected
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Old 02-07-10, 11:20 AM   #234
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the GT300 series , or even GT400 series, must exceed HD 5870
not suspected

Well,at this point,and with the launch date for the GF100 based cards not even officially anounced yet,even though we're all going on the assumption that it'll be sometime in march,it's almost sure it'll be facing refresh cards from ATI that are faster than the HD5870 anyhow,and some rumors point that the refresh card isn't just a higher clocked variation either,so who knows.


What's mainly pissing people off,apart from all the delays of course,is that it's sure that Nvidia has working samples of the GF100 right now,so not having any game benchmark results to this day,isn't something that's inspiring confidence...Makes it look like they're holding it back for as long as possible,and when that happends,it isn't because the results are exceptional and they want to keep it a secret either....It's happened before on other cards that didn't live up to the hype(for both ATI and Nvidia).
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Well,at this point,and with the launch date for the GF100 based cards not even officially announced yet,even though we're all going on the assumption that it'll be sometime in march,it's almost sure it'll be facing refresh cards from ATI that are faster than the HD5870 anyhow,and some rumors point that the refresh card isn't just a higher clocked variation either,so who knows.


What's mainly pissing people off,apart from all the delays of course,is that it's sure that Nvidia has working samples of the GF100 right now,so not having any game benchmark results to this day,isn't something that's inspiring confidence...Makes it look like they're holding it back for as long as possible,and when that happens,it isn't because the results are exceptional and they want to keep it a secret either....It's happened before on other cards that didn't live up to the hype(for both ATI and Nvidia).
They may still be working on driver bugs and such things. Getting the performance where they want it before releasing any numbers. It does make sense if they are, because they still haven't given a release date and there won't be many cards going around, one would think. The 5 series cards have performed really well and Nvidia needs to combat that. So really they don't need to release numbers until they are happy with where they are at.

I am also keen to get some early numbers from these cards, but if they are not ready then they are not ready. We just need to be patient.
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They may still be working on driver bugs and such things. Getting the performance where they want it before releasing any numbers. It does make sense if they are, because they still haven't given a release date and there won't be many cards going around, one would think. The 5 series cards have performed really well and Nvidia needs to combat that. So really they don't need to release numbers until they are happy with where they are at.

I am also keen to get some early numbers from these cards, but if they are not ready then they are not ready. We just need to be patient.
Agreed. I think Nvidia need to be sure that the Fermi cards will outperform ATI's latest, otherwise the backlash of negative satire would be devastating. They are already taking a beating because of all the delays....and losing some market share......just like ATI did a few yrs ago when NVidia had them beaten hands down w/ the 8800 series cards. Funny how quickly things can change. With the economic conditions being what they are, Nvidia needs to hit a home run with the Fermi release IMHO.

Although I really think ATI is in the drivers seat here, as they surely are waiting on Nvidia's Fermi release so they can counter w/ a strong refresh of the 5000 series. Isn't competition fun??!! Exciting stuff for us avid gamers coming in the next few months!!

Can't wait....

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I' am really curious how many 8800 NV will rebrand and try to pass off as new tech under the next gen platform and how many of the 2xxx series they do the same also.
Heat and cost versus performance are going to be main factors....hope it goes well.
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I hope these new cards will bring down the price of the GT200 series. I would like to get another GTX-285 for SLI. I bought mine about 8 months ago and the price is still the same. My RAM went from $100 to $185! Bought my system at the right time.
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I hope these new cards will bring down the price of the GT200 series. I would like to get another GTX-285 for SLI. I bought mine about 8 months ago and the price is still the same. My RAM went from $100 to $185! Bought my system at the right time.
99% of the time when a new generation is released the generation it replaced becomes offically EOL status, their prices actually skyrocket becuase supply will be seriously limited retial wise since these pieces are no longer being produced....although the exception is buying secondhand of course.
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