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Old 02-19-10, 01:04 PM   #25
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how do you know what was inside it? you don't

The pictures are available that showed the PCB being sawed off,as the PCI-e power connectors were cut in half,as well as the woodscrews holding down the cooler,so it wasn't a working PCB in the first place,so if it wasn't working,how could you test the fermi GPU inside of it?....Why would you even waste a supposedly working Fermi GPU,by installing it on a non functional PCB?....logic dictates it wasn't a Fermi GPU in there in the first place.
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Old 02-19-10, 01:46 PM   #26
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Here's some of the wierd pictures:





The wood screws and you see a lower ventilation opening that just doesn't make sense at all,and only a single DVI port,not the usual 2.




Yet the PCB shown clearly has the solder points for 2 DVI ports,not just 1





And the famous one in question...You see the 2 PCI-e power connectors,with one coming out from the top of the card and the other from the very end of it,and they don't even line up with the solder points used to make the electrical connection itself.

The 6 pin power solder points are also missing 4 solder points too,leading to believe that the PCB was basically cut,and even the certification stickers at the lower section are also cut in half.
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A prototype is still a working sample no matter what,even if it isn't operating at whatever the final specifications that the retail cards would have been working at....That card wasn't working in any shape or form and didn't even have a Fermi GPU in it to begin with,and Nvidia's CEO never said it was a mockup of what fermi will look like....He simply stated this was fermi right here,which is a big difference.
Actually, yes he did say it was a mockup the very next day when he was asked about it directly during day2 of the nvidia event. If I'm not Mistaken, it was either Theo of BSN or Rys of B3D that asked directly concerning the board he held.
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Old 02-19-10, 06:33 PM   #28
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Actually, yes he did say it was a mockup the very next day when he was asked about it directly during day2 of the nvidia event. If I'm not Mistaken, it was either Theo of BSN or Rys of B3D that asked directly concerning the board he held.

Only after those pictures were taken and that the conclusion was that it could only be a mockup though....On the day that the card was presented,he didn't mention it was a mockup at all,but the actual fermi card in question,so it's his confirmation is leaning more towards damage control than anything else.
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A prototype is still a working sample no matter what,even if it isn't operating at whatever the final specifications that the retail cards would have been working at....That card wasn't working in any shape or form and didn't even have a Fermi GPU in it to begin with,and Nvidia's CEO never said it was a mockup of what fermi will look like....He simply stated this was fermi right here,which is a big difference.
What would be the point of saying "Here's a mockup of what Fermi might look like....."

Might as well have said...."here's the pretty picture I drew of me holding a Fermi"

I think Hector Ruiz should go to jail.

But it doesn't change the fact that Jen....made himself look like a fool....and he's now perceived as less than honest.

Next year I'm sure someone else will do something stupid and Jen's silliness will be forgotten ....but any company that has the gall to publish cartoons about Intel should have a better code of ethics than to claim a poorly constructed mock up....is the real deal.

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What would be the point of saying "Here's a mockup of what Fermi might look like....."

Might as well have said...."here's the pretty picture I drew of me holding a Fermi"

I think Hector Ruiz should go to jail.

But it doesn't change the fact that Jen....made himself look like a fool....and he's now perceived as less than honest.

Next year I'm sure someone else will do something stupid and Jen's silliness will be forgotten ....but any company that has the gall to publish cartoons about Intel should have a better code of ethics than to claim a poorly constructed mock up....is the real deal.

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He could have said it anyhow since implying it was a working sample only to delay it 6+ months causes even more problems in the longer run,and it's not the first time he's pulled stunts like these or even had comments on GPU's over the past several years that are less than accurate,or even grossly exagerated though,and it's not just my opinion either,but that of actual developers who've said the same,but on the other hand,it's his job to make his company look as best as possible all the time,regardless if what he says is bull****.


Here's another example,when Nvidia had the first DX10 GPU out well before ATI had theirs,and it was only the higher end versions too,and even before Vista was officially available or that there were any DX10 games out,he made a huge deal out of being first on the market with DX10 products regardless...Many times in fact.


Now that the shoe in on the other foot,and it's ATI that has the first DX11 GPU's out for the entire market from 60$ budget cards all the way up to 600$+,both windows Vista and Windows 7 have DX11 support and there actually are a few games that at least use some DX11 features in them,and ATI has already shipped well over 2 million GPU's to their customers,while Nvidia hasn't shipped a single one yet,he had the gall to say that ATI's lead is insignificant overall....it's pure damage control and very stupid to say that when you think about it.
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Even if he is only half right ,then it does'nt look good for the GTX 480 Fermi.I hope to god he wrong and nvidia has everthing worked out ,it sounds like a killer card.But if the quanties are worst then ATI were when they first came out ,then it don't look good for nvidia.If they only have 10,000 cards at launch time,then it will be months and months before most people could get one ,if they can get one at all. We will find out more monday and I hope it not the doom and gloom I just read.I know they are haveing problems or the card would not be so late.It looks like the price is going to be around or over $800 for a GTX 480.If that is the case then I will just go with two HD 5850's .I hope he wrong because I like nvidia ,but I have nothing against ATI/AMD.I am building my mother a budget AMD system ,been a while sice I use a AMD chip.But the prices are just two good and I want to see what a cheap AMD system can do .I went with a AMD Athlon II X2 240 Regor 2.8GHz for $57 and a open box ASRock A790GMH/128 for $53.50 already have a great heatsink fan,Plus a open box SAPPHIRE HD 4850 DP 512MB GDDR3 256bit interface for $65 ,I already had 4 1gigs of Corsair Dominator 1066 DDR2,and a SATA Seagate 250gig harddrive and a samsung and sony DVD burners.I have a creative audigy ,but I am going to use the onboard sound,since she just has two cheap speakers.Iam currious to see what it will do,I will overclock the heck out of it.Most seem to overclock to 3.5gig with the stock cheap cooler at default voltage,I will be trying for 3.8 gigs.Not a bad system for under $200.
To get back on topic I sure hope what he is saying is wrong and they have a 512 shader Fermi working at 750/5000 and a Million ready to ship on lanch day at a $600 price tag.It sure would be nice,but either way I have waited long enough and if two HD 5850 is the better deal then I will go with ATI this time around and hopely next time in about a year nvidia has a worthy part out.
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Well it's only a couple of days away from the announcement. Not long to wait.
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I don't believe anyone reads Charlie Demerjian at all. Charlie isn't a smart person, he's not a journalist. He's a rumor monger who only posts rumors he think will damage NVIDIA.

He does this because NVIDIA removed his press privileges due to his misuse of his press privileges. This angered Charlie, so since then he's been acting like a teenager who was left home on prom night because their beloved found someone prettier/more handsome to escort.

Is Fermi "late"? I guess so, but I'd note that we're talking about inventions here, and you can't really schedule when they're done to coincidentally occur the same day your competitor launches a product. These things are in development for years.

Has being "late" damaged NVIDIA, like all the ATi fans said it would? Depends how you look at it. On one hand, NVIDIA actually gained desktop marketshare on ATi last quarter, and made more money than ATi the last two quarters. (so I guess the "uber triumph" of the 5XXX series didn't help them much) OTOH, it's pretty obvious NVIDIA would have been more successful if the Fermi based products were in the market those two quarters.

Should people wait another month to buy a Fermi? Depends- if you need a card right now because your old one died, probably not. If you just feel like upgrading, that depends if you want to be limited in running AA in UE3 games, not have PhysX effects, or not have a true 3d option. (not to mention lower DX11 performance)

An ATi 5XXX purchase will arguably be the "best you can buy" till next month, then they're going to to look pretty dated. This is the trade ATi made releasing an evolutionary GPU, they got half a year with little competition at the high end, now their products are going to look dated.
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Given that Charlie said several months ago that for the november date to be even possible at all,they'd have to get all the features,clocks and yeilds for Fermi working the way they wanted to from the very first revision of the Chip,which is something that pretty much never happends on the first revision of anything,never mind one with 3 billion transistors on a brand new 40nm fabrication process.


Then there was the little fact that when he made that statement in late september,as some of the GP-GPU related features of fermi were officially revealed one week after ATI unveiled the HD5870 cards,they didn't even have the first revision of Fermi back from TSMC yet,so how can one make availability predictions on something they don't even have working silicon of as of late september?.


Remember the hastily made card that Nvidia's CEO was proudly holding and showing to the crowd,stating that it was a fermi based,when it clearly wasn't by the sawed off PCB and wood screws holding the heatsink in place ....Nvidia's CEO lied about that plain and simple too....He's basically a top flight bull****ter of the worst degree to be a willing part of a stunt like that.
I refuse to believe that Cypress is a superior product to Fermi. Fermi is a true general purpose GPU with C++ support and a IEEE754 compliant floating point implementation, which Cypress is not.

I think this situation parallels Betamax versus VHS, where Fermi is Betamax and Cypress is VHS, which is sad. I really wanted to get my hands on a Fermi processor to program it. If this is true and I am lucky, Nvidia will have Fermi II out before I graduate next spring.
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Should people wait another month to buy a Fermi? Depends- if you need a card right now because your old one died, probably not. If you just feel like upgrading, that depends if you want to be limited in running AA in UE3 games, not have PhysX effects, or not have a true 3d option. (not to mention lower DX11 performance)

An ATi 5XXX purchase will arguably be the "best you can buy" till next month, then they're going to to look pretty dated. This is the trade ATi made releasing an evolutionary GPU, they got half a year with little competition at the high end, now their products are going to look dated.
I think you exaggerate how "dated" they're going to look. Fermi will probably outpace 5870 in performance and likely not 5970. With ATI still having the fastest card on the market, this lessens how "dated" they'll look in the eyes of consumers.

And 3D is no longer just available with Nvidia. ATI has opened up the drivers to allow this with their hardware in the Catalyst 10.3. The difference is that it's open source and not propietary like Nvidia's solution.

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3D Stereoscopic support

While ATI won't be offering their own 3D support like NVIDIA does with its 3D Vision, they will be updating their D3D driver to enable 3rd party middleware vendor support such as iZ3D. They'll be able to offer support for 120 Hz screens and output 60 Hz per eye.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/31...ed/index4.html

There are advantages and disadvantages to this tech being propietary. One advantage would be that Nvidia's 3D is in-driver just as Eyefinity is in-driver for ATI and doesn't require 3rd party support (like Matrox-to-go does with Nvidia.) I'm kind of on the fence about it. I guess I'd prefer that ATI have some sort of in-driver 3D option, but at least it's possible to do it which undoubtedly mitigates the clear advantage that Nvidia once had in this area.
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I think you exaggerate how "dated" they're going to look. Fermi will probably outpace 5870 in performance and likely not 5970. With ATI still having the fastest card on the market, this lessens how "dated" they'll look in the eyes of consumers.

And 3D is no longer just available with Nvidia. ATI has opened up the drivers to allow this with their hardware in the Catalyst 10.3. The difference is that it's open source and not propietary like Nvidia's solution.



http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/31...ed/index4.html

There are advantages and disadvantages to this tech being propietary. One advantage would be that Nvidia's 3D is in-driver just as Eyefinity is in-driver for ATI and doesn't require 3rd party support (like Matrox-to-go does with Nvidia.) I'm kind of on the fence about it. I guess I'd prefer that ATI have some sort of in-driver 3D option, but at least it's possible to do it which undoubtedly mitigates the clear advantage that Nvidia once had in this area.
Wow,

Good news then....thanks for posting this up...
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