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Old 04-02-10, 01:19 PM   #409
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The more I look at this, the more it seems exaggerated.

Is there a difference? A slight one. Unless you click on the link that changes the image, it is very difficult to see. There's a section in the middle of the image that's slightly blurred on the ATI shot and is clearer on the Geforce, but other than that? Meh. The rest of the image is identical.

This looks like grasping at straws in the wake of the Fermi meltdown (pun intended.) Don't get me wrong.. I despise either Nv or ATI in any case they may degrade IQ to boost benchmarks, but I don't see this as proof of anything thus far since the IQ is so close between the images.

Most of the guys over on XS are saying pretty much the same thing. Even bipartisan folk.
I have no problem seeing the difference and it would be a lot worse in motion. Think I'm gonna do some comparisons between Cat A.I on and off.
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Could just be a driver bug that will be worked out. It's funny to see all the reactions, though. "ATI is ChEATiNG!!!!111".

Remember what happened the last time someone claimed that blurry textures were responsible for boosting ATI performance in benchmarks (the Rollo Far Cry 2 fiasco.) ATI turned around and fixed it within 24 hours with a hotfix that improved performance.

People jump to conclusions so easily. 16xAF is a cakewalk for these cards these days, anyway, performance-wise.
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Tried some games with Cat Ai on and Off - the verdict? No difference in IQ what so ever(compared with Photoshop's "Difference" layer style.) Using cat 10.3b.
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Just doing some copy and paste from a reply i made in another forum,but which i feel sums it up fairly well,it's a fairly long rant though:


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Given the performance numbers for Fermi versus a single HD5870,i think it's fair to say that overall,i'd likely need to use 3 of them(at least),to match the performance i'm getting with my cards right now,so let's put this into perspective:


1:250 watts per GTX480 card,for a total of potentially 750 watts drawn in worst case scenarios,while my cards use up just under 300 watts a piece at stock clocks,for a total of 600 watts.

2:They obviously need a stronger power supply to make Tri SLI GTX480's happen,compared to my setup(thermaltake 1000 watt PSU).

3:Even if i bought 3 GTX480's,and managed to get them at their MSRP of 499$,that would total 1500$ before taxes and shipping,while i payed 700$ each for my pair of HD5970's back in November,so i wouldn't be saving any money anyhow.

4:My cards can get noticably louder and hit 85*C in demanding games,especially when overclocked(850/1200 speeds),as even with a coolermaster HAF 932 case and it's very nice ventilation potential,the HD5970 cards are close together,as the motherboard only has a 1 slot spacing between the PCI-e X16 slots,so they're only a few millimeters apart from each other once installed,so given the reports on the temperatures that single GTX480 cards are hitting,how would the situation develop for 3 of these cards,side by side for both noise and temperatures,even more so if overclocking is attempted....Might be a good case study for watercooling unfortunately,and all the extra expense and elbow grease to set it up.



The overall performance is actually pretty good on the GTX480 cards when viewed on it's own,but add the 6 month waiting for it's release,and when compared to the HD5870 cards on performance terms,it's not much to boast about,especially considering the power use and noise and temperature issues,as well as keeping in mind this thing packs 3 billion transistors,versus the 2.15 billion on the HD5870 cards....An 850 million transistor budget difference that isn't really showing much difference in real world performance,and that's almost the entire budget of RV770~790 GPU here,which are still pretty decent performers overall.


Even on heavy tesselated benchmarks such as the heaven demo,i'll gladly concede that Fermi should be quite a lot faster there when using 3 GTX480 cards,but my setup with it's 4 GPU's isn't exactly a slacker in that dept,as i've shown performance benchmarks using the Heaven demo already,so i'm fully locked and loaded for when Developers actually use tesselation to a far more extensive degree that the first few games that use it so far(Dirt 2,aliens versus predator),so i'm ready for the future basically.


I also don't think that a dual Fermi card to knock the HD5970 off the top perch in performance is even possible while staying under that 300 watt limit for PCI-e approval,but that doesn't mean they can't release a limited edition version that simply doesn't care about the PCI-e power standard in the first place,like previous cards such as the Asus GTX295 "MARS" edition,or the upcoming Asus HD5970 "ARES" cards,the latter using a 2.5 slot cooler,so it's thicker than the stock cooler that the standard HD5970 cards use.


Taking the long term view,i do believe that once the 28nm fab process is up and running late this year or early next,that it'll deal with the power and heat issues that the current GTX480 cards are dealing with,and might even allow a dual fermi GPU card while staying under that 300 watt limit,but it'll also be dealing with 28nm parts by ATI in that time frame as well,so it's a new ballgame for both companies altogether,and impossible to predict who'll be on top then,as it comes down to who'll be more aggressive with their future products,while being limited by practical realities(yeilds,power,thermals,overall cost,etc).
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How the hell did you get 2 5970's for a total of $700
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How the hell did you get 2 5970's for a total of $700

Sorry,i meant 700$ each....Going to fix that now
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For once I'm going to try to hang on for the faster more powerful 480 update. Just this once

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I just got an 8800GTX and it does fine for what i play at 1600x1200 lol
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I just got an 8800GTX and it does fine for what i play at 1600x1200 lol
Yeah i was going to say i'm happy with my single gtx260 lol

Is there really any games out there that need these insane heat and noise output cards ?

I'm not paying 1k for an extra effect i wouldnt even notice, nor am i going to wear those ridulous 3d glasses, my eyes are screwed already from 20 years of gaming, i can imagine what wearing these glasses for a few years of gaming would do haha.

Seriously 3d glasses went out in the 50's didn't they ?
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Seriously 3d glasses went out in the 50's didn't they ?
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ATI cheating in Crysis

Don't think one comparison shot is enough to call this one, but the angle independent AF should make a difference in ATI's favor here and that clearly isn't the case.
Really?
Does the article you used as a source for your post said "ATI cheating in Crysis"?
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Really?
Does the article you used as a source for your post said "ATI cheating in Crysis"?
Nope that was my conclusion. Exchanging IQ for fps is cheating.
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