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Old 03-26-10, 09:28 PM   #229
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European pre-order sites:

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=24001

Cheapest GTX 480: 428.99 EUR = 575.254 USD!!!
If things only were so well - you see those prices are in . So 428 = 637$.
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Old 03-26-10, 09:29 PM   #230
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Hmm... so, what's the current status of the hacked Physx drivers for use with ATI+Nvidia Physx?

And do you think my power supply could handle running a 5870 and a GTX 260 for Physx?

That's the deciding factor for me right now since the performance doesn't seem to be worth the price or the outrageous heat output. Plus, turning physx on in any games will drop the performance even further (due to SPs being used for physx rather than shaders) so that makes the performance in Physx enabled games even less impressive.

Basically, I've been waiting a while to play most Physx enabled games at max settings in all their glory and I was hoping the GTX480 would allow that, but it just doesn't seem to be the best value at this point.
700 watts OCZ should be able to handle it one would think.
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Old 03-26-10, 09:30 PM   #231
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Hmm... so, what's the current status of the hacked Physx drivers for use with ATI+Nvidia Physx?

And do you think my power supply could handle running a 5870 and a GTX 260 for Physx?

That's the deciding factor for me right now since the performance doesn't seem to be worth the price or the outrageous heat output..
Your PSU is probably sufficient for that setup as long as you don't overclock the 5870 too much.
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Old 03-26-10, 09:46 PM   #232
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Man I couldn't wait to get home today in hopes of a great read. But to me it's quite disappointing. the 480 looks great at lower resolutions compared to the 5870 but once you get to 25x16 its not much difference. not worth the trade off that's for sure.



I mean you talk about SLI scaling is great but ****...


you can get tri-fire 5870s cheaper then 480s sli and still consume less energy.


I used to not care about how much heat video cards put out until I got my 5870 and realized how much cooler my room temperature is.


I'd still like to see 5760x1080 Res Benchmarks to see which plays multi monitor gaming better.
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Old 03-26-10, 10:18 PM   #233
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All things considered, the $349 GTX 470 (and presumably GTX 470 SLI too) look to be a great buy. Power consumption of this card in general is reasonable and not dramatically higher than 5870, and the feature set is arguably more robust too. The new 32x CSAA mode also has significantly better image quality than 8x MSAA, with very little difference in performance.

Here are some graphs from FiringSquad:

With the Unigine 2.0 benchmark, GTX 470 is ~50% faster than HD 5870 (and therefore GTX 470 SLI estimated at ~50% faster than HD 5870 Crossfire):



With the FarCry2 8xAA benchmark, GTX 470 is ~20% faster than HD 5870 (and therefore GTX 470 SLI estimated at ~20% faster than HD 5870 Crossfire):



With the Metro2033 benchmark, GTX 470 SLI estimated at ~20% faster than HD 5870 Crossfire:



With the Tom Clancy HAWX benchmark, GTX 470 SLI estimated at ~10% faster than HD 5870 Crossfire:



In COD MW2, Crysis, Dirt2, RE5, GTX 470 SLI estimated to be very close in performance to 5870 Crossfire.
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Old 03-26-10, 10:21 PM   #234
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didn't i just read some post about Unigine favouring nvidia gpus? and some setting needed to be enabled for ati cards?
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Old 03-26-10, 10:36 PM   #235
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didn't i just read some post about Unigine favouring nvidia gpus? and some setting needed to be enabled for ati cards?
Well sure, lower or disable tesselation, and then the benchmark doesn't favor GF100 GPU's
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jimmy -- Firingsquad didn't have any 470 SLI benches. Those are all 480.

Metro and FC2 are the two games that clearly scale better on Fermi at the moment, but it's been reported that ATI received the game code for Metro late and are working on enhancements. What improvements we'll get remain to be seen, but that has been reported.

Far Cry 2 just seems to favor Nvidia for whatever reason. Sorta like Crysis with 5870, I guess.

The unigine bench actually favored 5870 over 470 until a few days ago when they released v2.0 with the extreme tesselation mode right before Fermi's release. Just putting that out there. Take from it what you will.
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Old 03-26-10, 10:54 PM   #237
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The GTX 480 is impressively fast in some demanding scenarios, and at rare times close to HD 5970 too.

With the Dirt2 8xAA Ultra benchmark, GTX 480 is ~30% faster than HD 5870:


With the HAWX 8xAA benchmark, GTX 480 is ~20% faster than HD 5870:


With the FarCry2 8xAA benchmark, GTX 480 is ~40% faster than HD 5870:


Idle Power Consumption is about 25% higher on GTX 480 vs HD 5870, and close to HD 5970. Load Power Consumption is almost 50% higher on GTX 480 vs HD 5870, and again close to HD 5970. On the bright side, both idle and load power consumption is lower on GTX 480 vs GTX 295.

Idle Temperature is about 10% higher on GTX 480 vs HD 5870, but close to 20% lower than HD 5970. Load Temperature is about 15% higher on GTX 480 vs HD 5870, and less than 10% higher than HD 5970. The one area where GTX 295 is impressively low is Load Temperature, but the architecture also looks somewhat dated compared to GF100.
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Old 03-26-10, 10:55 PM   #238
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jimmy -- Firingsquad didn't have any 470 SLI benches. Those are all 480.
I estimated GTX 470 SLI results based on the GTX 480 to 480 SLI scaling %.
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The GTX 480 is impressive fast in some demanding scenarios, and nipping at the heels of HD 5970 too.

With the Dirt2 8xAA Ultra benchmark, GTX 480 is ~30% faster than HD 5870:
Be careful on that benchmark.

Several other review sites have already pointed out that the tech benchmarks for Dirt 2 were run on the DX9 codepath by default. Said sites did a DX11 comparison as well, and the results ended up only being about 10% difference.

This does prove that Fermi is very good at DX9 titles, though.
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Be careful on that benchmark.

Several other review sites have already pointed out that the tech benchmarks for Dirt 2 were run on the DX9 codepath by default. Said sites did a DX11 comparison as well, and the results ended up only being about 10% difference.

This does prove that Fermi is very good at DX9 titles, though.
That is certainly interesting info. Quite strange that DX11 code path would bring the HD 5870 closer in performance to GTX 480 under any plausible scenario. I wonder if this has anything to do with relative [im]maturity of the GF100 drivers? There was a rumor floating around somewhere that GeForce 256.x drivers bring up to 30% increase in performance, but the way that NVIDIA has executed lately, I'd take that with a HUGE grain of salt. I'm not getting my hopes up of the driver team performing miracles
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