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Old 04-13-10, 07:34 PM   #397
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Yeah, you can't compare the fan speeds.. ATI allow for far higher fan speeds albiet http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=63at a very high noise level. At least the option is there if the GPU needs it. 38% is pretty high for a 5870. For me this card is quiet enough, if a 470 is the same or better, then great.

Min FPS is a concern to me, granted, that you actually notice it. So far every game I play does so without hiccup so I'm happy.
Good point. My PC starts making annoying clicking sounds if I set the 5870s at 100%. Everything still works fine so I think it's just due to vibrations caused by the fan spinning so quickly.
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Old 04-14-10, 05:40 AM   #398
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I found this to be very informative when it comes to 480 SLI. Scaling is really impressive when using 2 GPU's.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 SLI
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I found this to be very informative when it comes to 480 SLI. Scaling is really impressive when using 2 GPU's.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 SLI
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First retail Gigabyte GTX 480 review

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/323...ard/index.html
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470 SLi review is up

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...li-review.html
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Old 04-14-10, 09:25 PM   #402
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I found this to be very informative when it comes to 480 SLI. Scaling is really impressive when using 2 GPU's.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 SLI
^^^The above bold is my edit.

To me this review doesn't look so great for the GTX 480 SLI. I guess mainly because I was brainwashed by the NVIDIA enthusiast how much better the SLI scales compare to Crossfire.
Ok lets say 2% for Crossfire doesn't make much difference and I would call it even (I'm being nice j/k) . But where is the much better SLI scaling some people keep talking about?

From the TPU "Value and Conclusion"
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However, compared to Radeon HD 5870 in its 2-card CrossFire setup, the scaling is a little worse (overall 41% for GTX 480 SLI vs. 43% for HD 5870 CrossFire), an area that needs attention from NVIDIA.
I was also expecting much better performance from GTX 480 SLI $1000 compared to HD 5970 $700 (MSRP $599) The underclock HD 5970 performance is about the same as HD 5850 Crossfire yet in the conclusion the HD 5970 was ONLY 13% slower than the GTX 480 SLI.
Also from the TPU "Value and Conclusion"
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This solution is particularly suited for resolutions beyond 1920 x 1200, more towards 30” displays with 2560 x 1600 pixels resolution. On lower resolutions, it tends to not offer much of an advantage over having the single card, or other competing single-card solutions such as the ATI Radeon HD 5970. The HD 5970 is the strongest contender, since it ends up being just 13% slower, with less than half the energy footprint.
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Just checked the HardwareCanucks GTX 470 SLI review posted by Blacklash. Just about same if not better conclusion about the HD 5850 Crossfire scaling.
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Let’s start off with the average framerates. Here, it is quite obvious that in most situations Crossfire is able to scale much better than its SLI counterpart. As we saw in the tests, this allowed the HD 5850 to nearly catch up to the GTX 470 when both were paired up with one of their siblings. There are certain resolutions that SLI is able to surge ahead and it is very important to remember that SLI is still an extremely scalable solution. The only problem NVIDIA has is that their strong performance is simply overshadowed by a strong showing by ATI.
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Old 04-14-10, 11:12 PM   #403
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PS
Just checked the HardwareCanucks GTX 470 SLI review posted by Blacklash. Just about same if not better conclusion about the HD 5850 Crossfire scaling.
Hardware Canucks concluding words seem conflicting and contradictory.

For example, here is what they say:

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Luckily for NVIDIA, we didn’t stop at the average framerates and included (as usual) minimums as well. In this category the GTX 470 SLI is still head and shoulders above the [HD 5850 Crossfire] competition when IQ settings are pushed since it doesn’t exhibit the numerous dips in performance that characterize the Crossfire experience.
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Considering the drivers we were using for NVIDIA’s cards aren’t exactly what we would call mature, the stability these two GTX 470s exhibited was nothing short of praise-worthy....ATI’s solution on the other hand had numerous issues in Aliens versus Predator, Metro 2033 and Battlefield: Bad Company 2, only of which the latter didn’t affect gameplay too much. There were also problems with the drivers (10.3a and 10.2 WHQL) actually detecting both cards which seems to be a reoccurring frustration with every second driver from ATI’s team.
Finally, if you look at their summary table showing average % improvement of GTX 470 SLI over HD 5850 Crossfire, GTX 470 SLI shows more than 20% (!) improvement over HD 5850 Crossfire in terms of minimum framerate averaged across all resolutions with 4xAA enabled.

Regarding idle/load temps and power consumption, the GTX 470 SLI is within 10% of HD 5870 Crossfire.

So the conclusion that GTX 470 SLI is not worth $50-$100 more than HD 5850 Crossfire doesn't make much sense to me. A 20% improvement in minimum framerate with AA enabled is pretty huge, and puts the GTX 470 SLI closer in performance to the far more expensive HD 5870 Crossfire system in that area. That piece of data, combined with the aforementioned SLI stability and more forward-looking graphics architecture seem to make the GTX 470 SLI a very good buy at it's price point.
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It will be interesting to see what sort of average OCs folks get out of 480/470s. Guru3d got their 470 to do around 726 on the core.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...-480-review/34

Hardware Canucks had one going @ 721 on the core.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-31.html

Tweaktown tested one @ a lower OC.

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/32...d/index13.html

I'm thinking about replacing my GTX 260 in my second/alt computer with a 470. I'm curious what I can get one to do.
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I'm thinking about replacing my GTX 260 in my second/alt computer with a 470. I'm curious what I can get one to do.
Well, don't base your future buying decision on how much the videocard can overclock. Ask yourself if you'd be satisfied if the videocard couldn't overclock at all.
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@ jimmyjames123
I'm not going to go any further with this. I didn't even post the reviews. You don't agree with what I quoted.
Read it again and go argue about it at the reviews sites.

By the way I know for some the GTX 370 is nice upgrade but not for me.

For me the only upgrade would GTX 480 SLI and that would end up way to costly. Specially with the other parts I would need to upgrade as new mobo and most likely watercooling.

I definitely prefer the single graphic card solution which is not even there to compete against SLI or Crosffire on two cards same like the GTX 295 or HD 4870 x2 wasn't.
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Well, don't base your future buying decision on how much the videocard can overclock. Ask yourself if you'd be satisfied if the videocard couldn't overclock at all.
Oh ya', I'm completely aware that overclocking is luck of the draw. I love dinking around with new computer hardware and even at stock it would be faster than the 260 that computer has.

I could get a 5850 and I'm already overloaded on ATi hardware I'd like to try something different in my alt rig.
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Ask yourself if you'd be satisfied if the videocard couldn't overclock at all.
I wouldn't be XD
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