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Old 04-06-10, 07:04 PM   #121
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Sorry,my bad.


It's just Rollo coming out with certain statements that were incorrect to say the least,such as ATI's contribution to graphics for features used in games,which i named a huge one called DX9,used in all games for years.


It kinda backfired on him....
It's both of you. A fact that you seem unable to come to terms with Shadow001.

It's not just Rollo.

Everyone is fed up with it so give it a ing rest already. It was really tranquil here while you guys were on 'vacation'.

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Old 04-06-10, 07:37 PM   #122
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Actually it doesn't prove anything other than in the last year and a half fifteen or so PhysX titles became available.

The fact 15 did proves developers will spend time coding for it, and we don't know how many titles are currently in development.

Still, 15 titles is 15 more than ATi got to market, so I'd say NVIDIA is beating them by a long shot.
Hey, look everyone! 15 out of thousands of PC titles is relevant!



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Let's face it here....10~15 games being supported in the 2+ years Nvidia has owned PhysX isn't exactly making it increadibly popular,at least for the time being.
No, shadow.. see, that's where you're wrong. After two years in development, 15 titles out of thousands of PC titles is kickin' azz. You just need to adjust your perspective a lil'.

In fact, here you go. Here's a Fermi or two. We're sure that will change your perspective. And be sure to mention in your sig that you're what we like to call an "Nvidia Focus Group" Member. And here.. here are some 3-D glasses. And a monitor. Go have some fun.. and don't make yourself sick while passing out in 3-D land.

Oh, one last thing.. be sure to slam ATI once in a while.. crack a joke about them being a poo-poo slinger or something. Yeah. That's the way it's meant to be played.

Shame on you, Nvidia, for promoting such sales tactics as we see on this forum daily.

I may not have Nvidia in my rig now, but I have in the past, and so have many of my friends. And all of us see this kind of behavior as downright disgusting.
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Old 04-06-10, 07:41 PM   #123
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And about 3 of them are anywhere close to good
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Old 04-06-10, 09:19 PM   #124
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Funny part is that there's already 5~6 games that support some DX11 features to some degree,and DX11 is only a few months old,but i guess unified standards that everyone has no other choice to support suck afterall,so what do i know.....
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Old 04-06-10, 09:27 PM   #125
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Hey, look everyone! I can't really dispute that 15 titles for PhysX is 15 more titles than anyone else brought to market for GPU accelerated physics, or that more games are coming.
So, I'll just fall back on taking potshots at the Focus Group to derail the thread and divert everyone's attention from the topic.
Everything I've said here is a verifiable fact, I can't help it you don't like to hear the truth.

ATi promised physics back in 2006, didn't deliver:
http://ir.ati.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=10...icle&ID=868986

ATi promised 3d, hasn't delivered:
http://3dmytv.com/ati%E2%80%99s-ster...catalyst-10-3/

ATi promised GPGPU, didn't deliver:
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=745

Everything I said was true. ATi is the company of broken promises and vaporware.
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Everything I've said here is a verifiable fact, I can't help it you don't like to hear the truth.
Oh, the irony.
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Old 04-06-10, 10:48 PM   #127
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Everything I've said here is a verifiable fact, I can't help it you don't like to hear the truth.

ATi promised physics back in 2006, didn't deliver:
http://ir.ati.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=10...icle&ID=868986

ATi promised 3d, hasn't delivered:
http://3dmytv.com/ati%E2%80%99s-ster...catalyst-10-3/

ATi promised GPGPU, didn't deliver:
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=745

Everything I said was true. ATi is the company of broken promises and vaporware.

You're missing the bigger picture.....It's not about who introduced it first,but how fast it's getting used in games,which at this moment,it's going at a snails pace to put it mildly.


As for GP-GPU,how's this:

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...-cracking.aspx


Not bad if you're cracking passwords for a living actually....But ATI's GP-GPU abilities are non existent according to you,so....
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Old 04-07-10, 06:59 AM   #128
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Imho,

If I could enjoy one AAA title a month, with some modest titles here-and-there would be pleased over-all. It's going to take a commitment by the entire industry to see GPU Physics become an eventual open standard and this is going to take some time.

All PhysX is to me is a vehicle to get the GPU Physic ball rolling and try to make the consumer aware of its potential moving forward. Not the end-all-be-all vehicle but sort of what Cuda did to help get the ball rolling for open standards like OpenCL and Compute Shader.

Personally appreciate the risk and trying to bring this to the gamer even though it is proprietary at this time. Personally feel ATI and nVidia are both correct and why I offer this: Through the chaos, division and fragmentation of proprietary bring choice, innovation, awareness and competition, which hopefully bring open standards that all the players may agree upon, and then to eventually mature over time.

Was hoping for more PhysX in Metro but looks like Uwars and Mafia 2 may be impressive and looks like there is a 4XX series patch to add more rigid boides in Batman AA.

Mafia2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcpEc...layer_embedded
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You're missing the bigger picture.....It's not about who introduced it first,but how fast it's getting used in games,which at this moment,it's going at a snails pace to put it mildly.


As for GP-GPU,how's this:

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...-cracking.aspx


Not bad if you're cracking passwords for a living actually....But ATI's GP-GPU abilities are non existent according to you,so....
I think I understand it pretty well. 15 games in 2 years for PhysX> zero games for ATi. How many GITG titles launched in those two years? How many Tru Form titles launched ever?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TruForm
Hmmm 16 games in the last 9 years. I guess PhysX is enjoying greater adoption than TruForm.

As far as Stream Apps go, here's 1019 apps that have been developed for CUDA:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_apps_flash_new.html#

Like I said, ATi likes to promise things that never really come to pass because they lack the cash and developer relations to help things happen. CUDA is being used by universities and companies all over the world. STREAM is used by some guys that want to hack IPHONEs. Very comparable!

http://ati.amd.com/technology/stream...ing/areas.html

AMDs page for STREAM apps won't even load, more bait and switch.
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I think I understand it pretty well. 15 games in 2 years for PhysX> zero games for ATi. How many GITG titles launched in those two years? How many Tru Form titles launched ever?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TruForm
Hmmm 16 games in the last 9 years. I guess PhysX is enjoying greater adoption than TruForm.

As far as Stream Apps go, here's 1019 apps that have been developed for CUDA:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_apps_flash_new.html#

Like I said, ATi likes to promise things that never really come to pass because they lack the cash and developer relations to help things happen. CUDA is being used by universities and companies all over the world. STREAM is used by some guys that want to hack IPHONEs. Very comparable!

http://ati.amd.com/technology/stream...ing/areas.html

AMDs page for STREAM apps won't even load, more bait and switch.
Loaded fine for me but the funny thing is. It does give any specific app just says stream can be used in a range of apps.

"Applications for Stream Computing
A number of compute-intensive application areas can benefit from the parallel nature of ATI Stream computing on the GPU.

Stream Computing Applications
Climate research
Computational chemistry and biology
Engineering analysis
Financial analysis
Genetic research
Oil and gas exploration
Physics
Rendering
Risk assessment
Security
Seismic processing
Signal processing
Simulations
Video transcoding
Free – AMD Core Math Library
Many of the applications listed above use common math library functions like BLAS, SGEMM and DGEMM. AMD’s Core Math Library (ACML) for the GPU supports these functions today with many more common library functions being ported to the GPU architecture in the coming months. ACML-GPU is freely available by emailing the AMD Stream team at: streamcomputing@amd.com.

Life Sciences & Scientific Research
ATI Stream computing was a founding partner with Stanford University in the development of Folding@Home: a distributed computing application that takes advantage of unused GPU cycles to perform advanced protein folding research. Folding@Home is an active, ongoing research project studying Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers and cancer-related syndromes.

AMD and ATI Stream are proud partners with Stanford University’s Folding@Home program. For additional information on the program, please visit our medical research page or the Folding@Home website: http://folding.stanford.edu/.

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As far as Stream Apps go, here's 1019 apps that have been developed for CUDA:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_apps_flash_new.html#

Like I said, ATi likes to promise things that never really come to pass because they lack the cash and developer relations to help things happen. CUDA is being used by universities and companies all over the world. STREAM is used by some guys that want to hack IPHONEs. Very comparable!

http://ati.amd.com/technology/stream...ing/areas.html

AMDs page for STREAM apps won't even load, more bait and switch.

I just showed an example of a GP-GPU application being processed by an HD5970 card,and even to the surprise of the developers themselves,litterally destroying the competition in the process,even an Nvidia Tesla Quad GPU setup in that chart,which costs many times more than a single HD5970 card,only gets about 1/2 the work done in the same time period.


I know you'll still argue it anyhow,but GP-GPU isn't only possible on Nvidia hardware,as that chart clearly indicates it,and the tesla version of fermi will only show up sometime in Q2 according to article.
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I just showed an example of a GP-GPU application being processed by an HD5970 card,and even to the surprise of the developers themselves,litterally destroying the competition in the process,even an Nvidia Tesla Quad GPU setup in that chart,which costs many times more than a single HD5970 card,only gets about 1/2 the work done in the same time period.


I know you'll still argue it anyhow,but GP-GPU isn't only possible on Nvidia hardware,as that chart clearly indicates it,and the tesla version of fermi will only show up sometime in Q2 according to article.
I didn't mean Stream is "non existent", I meant "it might as well be given the pitiful number of apps written for it.

I've heard of two now- hacking the Iphones, and a transcoder that barely works.

The point was, and is, that ATi tells people they have NVIDIA's features when in reality they either don't, won't, or have them in such limited fashion it doesn't matter.

I've enjoyed the PhysX effects in Darkest of Days, Dark Void, Batman AA, Mirrors Edge, UT3, GRAW, Cryostasis, Warmonger, and Metro 2033. Why would I even consider cards that don't give me the flexibility to see all the eye candy available in the game?

Likewise, I think shutter glasses with 120Hz LCDs or DLP is the biggest advance in 3d gaming since Glide. Why would I buy from a company that has left this up to other firms with no industry presence?

Five days until ATi's feature set looks like it's 5 years old. They didn't invest in advancing the gaming industry, now they're going to pay for that with lost revenues. NVIDIA has the brand recognition and dev relations going for them anyway, the only way ATi sold any 5870s is they had no competition. Look for a whooooooole lot of GTX470/480s to sell next week.
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