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Old 05-25-10, 08:32 AM   #13
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Can someone answer my freaking post. How is it possible to have a 375w TDP card with the pci-express standard.....

I thought (keyword being THOUGHT) that you could only have up to a 300w TDP card in any pci-e interface.

That's the main reason why my BS flag is flying high currently, we'll see how it goes...
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Old 05-25-10, 09:07 AM   #14
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Don't own the 5770 yet... still shopping around. Still rocking my trusty dual 8800GTXs.

Simply going off of performance per watt and dollar spent. It'll cost me more in the long run to power and cool *any* GTX400 series card, than it would an HD5xxx series card.

Looking for the over-all most effecient card, and nothing from nvidia seems to be remotely efficient. Just brute power.

Kinda' like have a V10 instead of a V6 diesel. I'll take the diesel.
and again same thing applies, you are not looking for fastest single gpu card. so you were never an intented customer.

person that wants to buy a sports car, doesn't care how much gas it uses, you can have your i4 ecotech
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Old 05-25-10, 09:10 AM   #15
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Not sure why there are sooooo many ATI fans on an Nvidia website?????? Can't imagine having over 22,000 post on a brand I don't use........
Oh please.... Fanboy comment of the day right here.

I bought a 5870 because nvidia had NOTHING on the market that was comparable to it when I decided to upgrade. 6 months later, they release the GTX 4xx cards with high TDP, heavy heat output, and an average of 10% performance advantage over similar products...

So here I am posting on an nvidia fan site with an ATI card. Funny enough, I've been straight ticket nvidia ever since I got into computers and GPU's. Hell, I even bought that joke of a graphics card called the FX 5900, which didn't even fully support DX9. And then the one time that nvidia doesn't have an answer for ATI's cards, I jump ship and start getting called an ATI fanboy...





I'm glad nvidia is able to come out with a dual-GPU solution. As expected, though, it will not be within the 300w PCI-e envelope of power. I don't think any of us expected that anyway due to the power used by the GTX 480 already.

I look forward to seeing some reviews. I do hope that it will beat the 5970 so that we can finally have some competition and price drops in this market. Nvidia needs to get on the ball and release their mid to low end products too. ATI is destroying them in that area currently.
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Can someone answer my freaking post. How is it possible to have a 375w TDP card with the pci-express standard.....

I thought (keyword being THOUGHT) that you could only have up to a 300w TDP card in any pci-e interface.

That's the main reason why my BS flag is flying high currently, we'll see how it goes...


PCI-e slot: 75 watts
6-pin power: 75 watts
8-pin power: 150 watts


If you put the card in a PCI-e slot and put 2 8-pin power connectors on the card, you've got a maximum TDP of 375 watts. I don't see that as being far fetched, even though it does break the pci-e 300w maximum standard.
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Old 05-25-10, 09:13 AM   #17
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and again same thing applies, you are not looking for fastest single gpu card. so you were never an intented customer.

person that wants to buy a sports car, doesn't care how much gas it uses, you can have your i4 ecotech
i4 ecotech? How do you get that from my comparison of diesel vs a V10 gas-guzzler? Odds are the V6 will get far better gas mileage with comparable HP, better torque- at most you might have to throw a turbo on it.

But I do hear ya'. Some people prefer the V10 for no other reason that it is a V10. If that's your thing, fine. But I'll enjoy comparable HP and torque WHILE being able to pass you at the gas station.

But hey, if ya'll have money to burn I fully support your act of burning it.
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Oh please.... Fanboy comment of the day right here.

I bought a 5870 because nvidia had NOTHING on the market that was comparable to it when I decided to upgrade. 6 months later, they release the GTX 4xx cards with high TDP, heavy heat output, and an average of 10% performance advantage over similar products...

So here I am posting on an nvidia fan site with an ATI card. Funny enough, I've been straight ticket nvidia ever since I got into computers and GPU's. Hell, I even bought that joke of a graphics card called the FX 5900, which didn't even fully support DX9. And then the one time that nvidia doesn't have an answer for ATI's cards, I jump ship and start getting called a fanboy...






I'm glad nvidia is able to come out with a dual-GPU solution. As expected, though, it will not be within the 300w PCI-e envelope of power. I don't think any of us expected that anyway due to the power used by the GTX 480 already.

I look forward to seeing some reviews. I do hope that it will beat the 5970 so that we can finally have some competition and price drops in this market. Nvidia needs to get on the ball and release their mid to low end products too. ATI is destroying them in that area currently.
Same here. Been ATi ever since... before GeForce. Last ATi card was a Rage128 with 16MB framebuffer. Even now still using dual 8800GTXs. Haven't even bought the ATi card yet. But I'm planning to simple cause power consumption is a concern of mine. Heck, I've considered getting the 5800 series as I really want as much performance as I can get... but both heat and power consumption are a big concern of mine. nVidia has nothing that is efficient in power consumption while producing little heat without greatly sacrificing performance.

Thus, simply cause for this one round I'm going ATi, I must be an ATi fanboi!
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excactly. those corvettes are crap, I will be happy with a dodge neon.
The thing is you know NVIDIA is supposed to have a 400 series card that competes with the 5770 but they are ridiculously late to the market. The GTX 460 will likely compete with it while the GTX 465 competes with the 5830.
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The thing is you know NVIDIA is supposed to have a 400 series card that competes with the 5770 but they are ridiculously late to the market. The GTX 460 will likely compete with it while the GTX 465 competes with the 5830.
true, they should and they are late. but what some people are saying that current 4x0 series is crap and they go on saying they will buy low performing budget card instead is just crazy.

its obvious that they never intended on buying high end card in first place.
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true, they should and they are late. but what some people are saying that current 4x0 series is crap and they go on saying they will buy low performing budget card instead is just crazy.

its obvious that they never intended on buying high end card in first place.
Nowhere did *I* say the 400 series was crap.

They are insanely fast cards... just not fast enough when considering the insane power consumption and ridiculous heat generated. Yes, 80*C is *A LOT OF HEAT*... don't care what component we are talking about here.
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Can someone answer my freaking post. How is it possible to have a 375w TDP card with the pci-express standard.....

I thought (keyword being THOUGHT) that you could only have up to a 300w TDP card in any pci-e interface.

That's the main reason why my BS flag is flying high currently, we'll see how it goes...
like others said two 8 pin pci-e power (300 total) plus 75 watts board power. AMD/ATI is doing the same thing with their 5970 4gb cards. Actually, asus is going one step further. They are using two 8pins and a 6pin. So, asus ares card will draw 450 watts!
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Same here. Been ATi ever since... before GeForce. Last ATi card was a Rage128 with 16MB framebuffer. Even now still using dual 8800GTXs. nVidia has nothing that is efficient in power consumption while producing little heat without greatly sacrificing performance.

Thus, simply cause for this one round I'm going ATi, I must be an ATi fanboi!
ok, but when buying your 8800gtx, those things didn't bother you?





8800gtx ran hotter and consumed more power then competitions, as well as ran hotter and consumed more power then DUAL GPU card.

for comparison, 480 runs cooler(38-45ish) on idle then 8800gtx, and while reviews (running early drivers/and old bios) some claim 93c load temp, my 480 didn't go over 85c yet. And most end users will confirm, 480GTX runs much cooler then reviews claimed.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/201...-5gb-review/10
480gtx idle power = 186 = 34w less then 8800gtx
480gtx load power 382 = 67w more then 8800gtx

now considering that you have TWO 8800GTX
just estimating, 480GTX uses about about 60ishW less on idle, and about 218ishW less on load then your 8800gtx SLI.


both reviews are from the same site.

funny how you complain about power consumption, when your current cards draw much more power, and run hotter


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Yes, 80*C is *A LOT OF HEAT*... don't care what component we are talking about here.
cough***your current ones run hotter***cough
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PCI-e slot: 75 watts
6-pin power: 75 watts
8-pin power: 150 watts


If you put the card in a PCI-e slot and put 2 8-pin power connectors on the card, you've got a maximum TDP of 375 watts. I don't see that as being far fetched, even though it does break the pci-e 300w maximum standard.
Actually PCI-E 2.0 supports up to 150W off the slot IIRC.

EDIT: NVM. Found someone who actually came out and said PCI-E 1 and 2 only provides 75W per slot. http://www.brighthub.com/computing/h...les/23289.aspx
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