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Old 07-25-03, 04:05 PM   #97
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Lots of hot air blown? lol
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Old 07-25-03, 08:51 PM   #98
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And Kyle's claim that the problem was solved before it began is flat out ludicrous. The problem exists because Nvidia's current publicly-released non-beta driver contains the hack. "Fixed before it began" would've been if the hack had been observed in an unofficial/beta driver and then fixed in the following public driver release. Until Nvidia puts an updated non-beta driver on their website that does proper Trilinear when told, and such behavior has been confirmed, the problem is most decidedly not "solved". There may be a solution pending, but that's far from the same thing.
AFAIK it has not been fixed in any leaked beta driver either.

P.S. ATI said Quack was a bug.
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I seem to remember that they acknowledged it as a 'bug', and promised to fix it in the next driver release without affecting performance. And they did.

Thats not the same thing. Nvidia acknowledges its cheats as bugs too.
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Old 07-26-03, 11:40 AM   #100
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Thats not the same thing. Nvidia acknowledges its cheats as bugs too.
I dunno if it is....remember, they've been aware of this "bug" for over two months and in secret discussions with Kyle Bennet to get his wisdom and insite on how to fix it while all the while denying it and still pointing at their 30% boost in UT2k3...

As I recall it, at least ATi had the decency to not try and brag about it and say they'd been consulting with a moron on how to fix it for 2 months.
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Old 07-26-03, 12:13 PM   #101
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Actually, for PR related reasons, it would make sense to call it a bug.. calling it a cheat would reduce your customer base to crap...
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Old 07-26-03, 06:59 PM   #102
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AFAIK it has not been fixed in any leaked beta driver either.

P.S. ATI said Quack was a bug.
Yes they did, and the next set of drivers they released solved the IQ problem with no loss in performance. If Nvidia can do the same then they might get some credibility back. I wouldn't lay odds on that happening though.
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I dunno if it is....remember, they've been aware of this "bug" for over two months and in secret discussions with Kyle Bennet to get his wisdom and insite on how to fix it while all the while denying it and still pointing at their 30% boost in UT2k3...

As I recall it, at least ATi had the decency to not try and brag about it and say they'd been consulting with a moron on how to fix it for 2 months.
*shrug* If you take off all your hatred for either company. You Realise that they generally do the same things.

Every company is only interested in one thing when things are looking down. Capital income, And Survival of brand name.

Both ATI and Nvidia act the same when things are looking bleak. They will both take neccasary means to ensure the things I listed above occur.

Nvidia sure as heck didn't "decide" To do what they have done over night. It was obviously done with alot of discussion about cause and consequence. And Neither does ATI. It's "easier" to call something a bug rather than explain it.

Being objective about some of these things, would help alot of people understand that corporate companies are not very different when it boils down to the things I illustrated above. Expecially you digital. (No offense but you are the only person I know who literally hovers to every hardware related message board flaming Nvidia every chance you get, it's really hard to take you too seriously at times. You do it with such emotion there are times I actually can actually picture you raving and hitting the Keyboard at times) Again No offense really intended
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