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Old 07-07-10, 09:04 AM   #13
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Default Re: Tom's asks "Gamers: Do You Need More Than An Athlon II X3?"

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There might be the few who will spend $1000+ on two cards just to run a few games better than anyone else.

I like articles like this because to get in the game, you don't need that kinda horsepower.

It's the constant upgrade game that people feel they need to do which has turned off the potential PC gamer. I have a bunch of friends who just dropped out of PC gaming all together because of the hardware upgrade game, drm and other issues. They have a laptop or mac laptop and a console now.
I hate to say it but it sounds like they're just not cut out for PC gaming then. PC gaming isn't supposed to be built on a fixed, non-upgrade path seeking platform. It's all about choice of configuration and making what you feel to be the best system for your needs.

Heck if I really wanted to I could build a Vista Home Basic rig just for Battlefield 2, with an AM3 motherboard, a Sempron 140 single-core, a GT 220, a cheap hard drive and DVD drive, lower-tier PSU, 1gb DDR3, cheap case and a 17" LCD.

$50 - OS
$20 - BF2
$55 - mobo
$38 - CPU
$50 - GT 220
$40 - HD
$25 - DVD drive
$60 - Case/PSU
$30 - RAM
$85 - 17-19" LCD
$20 - keyboard and mouse

$453, that's with OS and game... AND shipping.

Upgrade that to 4gb DDR, an Athlon II X3 and... say, an HD 4850, ... and add a copy of Bad Company 2 and you're still only at $575.

... Or you could spend $1000 or more for something that's less rough around the edges... (but probably offers similar gaming performance). .. or $2000+ if you really want to... $3000 if you want it all Plus watercooling and Eyefinity...

It's nice to have a choice.
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Old 07-07-10, 09:39 AM   #14
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Default Re: Tom's asks "Gamers: Do You Need More Than An Athlon II X3?"

That's probably very true, Rage, but most of us grew up on old consoles and home PC's like the C-64 or NES and that provided a lot of fun for many years.

The fact is that most people aren't cut out for PC gaming if constantly upgrading is part of the equation.

This is why many games are coming out that are dumbed down, graphically. Look at the one of the biggest games of all time, World of Warcraft. You have Facebook games that are huge and tons of lower req games these days.

Why should a developer put $40 million into a PC only game that a small percentage of PC users can even run? They can make a console game for 2 platforms that will sell much better. We may not like it, but it's the truth.
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Very Cool article. I use this chip in almost all of my customer builds nowadays. It's impossible to beat it price/performance.
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Old 07-07-10, 10:06 AM   #16
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almost every unreal based game will need quad to run well, don't forget GTA4
I don't know about that, but BFBC2 needs a quad, and runs better on core i7 than any others.
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I don't know about that, but BFBC2 needs a quad, and runs better on core i7 than any others.
Nope. My x3 720BE @ 3.5 runs BFBC2 just as smooth if not smoother than my x3 720BE @ x4, 3.1ghz.

Does the game want MORE than a dual-core? Yup.

So it's safe to say that BFBC2 needs an x3.
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Old 07-07-10, 10:21 AM   #18
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That's probably very true, Rage, but most of us grew up on old consoles and home PC's like the C-64 or NES and that provided a lot of fun for many years.

The fact is that most people aren't cut out for PC gaming if constantly upgrading is part of the equation.
Why should a developer put $40 million into a PC only game that a small percentage of PC users can even run? They can make a console game for 2 platforms that will sell much better. We may not like it, but it's the truth.
wow, talk about ignorant.

1) Most folks here grew up on old Genesis, Nintendo or C64, and you don't have to "constantly" upgrade.
2) Most games are "developed" and programmed on PC, and then later ported to console kit. That being said, developers don't have to spend $40 million to make a PC only game, only reason why there are console exclusive games because the console maker is paying the developer to do so. With PC there is no one large entity to pay Developer A $20 just to make a exclusive game to sell their hardware.
3) Multiplatform is where its at, like i mentioned in number 2, games are developed on PC, then they branch them out to program/tweak for specific platform, and that process doesn't cost "$40 million"
4) don't be one of those ignorant clueless folks that scream bloody murder when multiplatform game is announced/released. While there are bad "ports", 99% of them are great, and better from the console counterparts. Even the option to enable AA/AF, choice of controller makse it worth it.

note: only really bad parts in recent history: Saints Row2, Double Agent.
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Default Re: Tom's asks "Gamers: Do You Need More Than An Athlon II X3?"

idk about "ignorant" nekro. ... just another point of view, that's all.
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Nope. My x3 720BE @ 3.5 runs BFBC2 just as smooth if not smoother than my x3 720BE @ x4, 3.1ghz.

Does the game want MORE than a dual-core? Yup.

So it's safe to say that BFBC2 needs an x3.
My clan of about 80 members did benchmarks in BC2 and the numbers showed that those with i7 were getting better frame rates.

I think we had 6 members with gtx 260s three of those in sli, and two of the six with an i7 920. The i7 owners averaged 7 more fps in an hour benchmark of online play on the same map/server than even core 2 quad, or AMD quad running at very similar clock speeds.

We have since moved forums and the data was lost but that is the gist of it. I know the test bed wasn't exactly fair but without access to all that gear its hard set up a better test environment.
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I said people grew up on old computers or consoles that didn't need upgrading all the time. That is what they're use to. These days, to game and be current on a PC, they need to constantly upgrade.
This board doesn't represent the everyday Joe. I have tons of friends in the 40's who have given up the PC (for games) because of the constant upgrades. My view is from them. I'm the only one still doing this stuff: getting a new GPU every 18 months, upgrading to Windows 7, upgrading to Quadcore, i7, etc. Everyone else done. Is that so hard to believe?

This board is a niche board, an enthusiast board. Aside from the people on this board, I know a lot of people with PC's and only one has a system that could play anything current. I know tons of family members, friends, etc that are still running single core CPU's and Windows XP, but have consoles. So don't call me ignorant, EDITED BY RAGEJG - I'll not have that kind of language or any sort of name calling in here. You can plainly see that I easily refuted and negated the original "ignorant" comment... in other words I took care of it. You don't need to take it to a different level, as it's under control and doesn't need to escalate at ALL. Thanks.

I never mentioned ports and I could give a crap if every console game was programmed on a calculator, that doesn't mean the majority of people out there can run it.
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My clan of about 80 members did benchmarks in BC2 and the numbers showed that those with i7 were getting better frame rates.

I think we had 6 members with gtx 260s three of those in sli, and two of the six with an i7 920. The i7 owners averaged 7 more fps in an hour benchmark of online play on the same map/server than even core 2 quad, or AMD quad running at very similar clock speeds.

We have since moved forums and the data was lost but that is the gist of it. I know the test bed wasn't exactly fair but without access to all that gear its hard set up a better test environment.
I'm not arguing i7 vs AMD Quad performance, or 4-core vs dual performance. I'm just trying to make sure you get that x3 systems are what the game wants, not necessarily 4 or 6 core.
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Putting all differences aside, it's a good article and it shows that you can put something together for a decent price that's going stuff well enough for the majority of people out there.
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