GTX/GTS 460 For BD

seeker · 10-02-10, 10:49 PM

I can't be too specific, because I'm uncertain as to how to best solve my problem. I just got a new LG Blu Ray Combo drive, but am unable to play a Blue Ray movie...it only displays a black screen. I ran the Cyberlink BD Advisor, and it gave the screenshots below. Since I'm not currently interested or able to deal with 3D, I suspect that the primary problem is shown on the first screenshot, being that I'm lacking HDCP with my old BFG 7800GT, even though the specs that I have found for it says that it is HDCP okay.

I only have a DVI to DVI connection, because my Acer X233H monitor doesn't work with a DVI to HDMI cable, and the graphics card doesn't have a HDMI connector.

I'm probably wrong, but it seems that I vaguely recall discussions in the past, regarding some kind of regedit to cause it to work okay, but that may have only been for sound purposes, rather than HDCP.

If there is no way to may my old video card work, I intend to replace it with a new card with HDMI on it, such as those mentioned in the thread title, and would like any suggestions that would help me to decide which to get. I understand that the GTX would be better for gaming purposes, but that really isn't a factor for me. Would the GTS do as well for BD performance?

JasonPC · 10-02-10, 11:17 PM

I assume you mean the GTS 450 and GTX 460. They are both fine for BD playback. For a 460 you might need to be concerned about power consumption. A 450 only needs one 6-pin PEG connector while the 460 requires two. Both are significantly faster than the 7800. I think there are ways around HDCP, but it requires using another program than PowerDVD (AnyDVDHD I think). I believe cards around the era of the 7800 were pretty flaky about HDCP even if some claimed they supported it, I suspect because the technology was very new at the time. A DVI connection also should work fine for playing HDCP content.

seeker · 10-02-10, 11:34 PM

Correct, regarding the typo. I haven't tried AnyDVDHD, but I did try one other software program, without any improvement, but I'll give that one a shot.

Going back to the GTS/GTX portion, there is about $30 difference in price between them, which I would spend, if I thought it might help on this, or something else down the road. Power shouldn't be an issue, but would the 460 stand out in a fashion that a basic user such as myself would notice?

JasonPC · 10-02-10, 11:44 PM

The 460 is a pretty good value for not much extra cash. But you do have to consider that with both cards you're going to be very CPU limited. But if you plan on upgrading your CPU eventually, you'll see the best performance out of the 460. If you don't really plan on upgrading the CPU I'd say stick with the 450.

seeker · 10-03-10, 02:16 AM

I will probably upgrade the CPU, but not very soon, because that would require a CPU, motherboard & ram bundle, which I would prefer not to pay the price for at the moment. However limited the 460 might be, I assume that it would still outperform the old 7800.

I installed the trial for AnyDVD a bit ago, and I was somewhat confused, because it seemed to only work as a backend for WinDVD, rather than it's own player. I also tried using PowerDVD again, but it still displays the same error window as before.

I doubt that I will buy AnyDVD, because it's pretty expensive in itself and has to be relicensed periodically. I would prefer to only pay once by upgrading the video card instead.

The only other alternative would be if there is some other software that would accomplish what AnyDVD did, only at a cheaper price?

wheeljack12 · 10-03-10, 02:51 AM

the only other software out there for bd playback that is comparable is arcsoft's truetheatre. But with arcsoft, you have to buy the simhd pack, then if you ever go 3d, the sim3d pack. If all you are concerned with is bd playback, stick with powerdvd. They gave users 3d playback of bd and dvd for free in the mark 2 powerdvd 10 patch. And it already upscales dvd's to hd afaik. As for graphics, if you are just interested in bd playback then gts 450 will be fine. If you are gaming and/or doing more video wise, then the gtx 460 is the best idea.

btw, here is a comparison of the two cards:

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards....=634&card2=632

seeker · 10-03-10, 03:04 AM

I think that I will go with the EVGA 01G-P3-1452-TR GeForce GTS 450 SuperClocked . From the specs it appears to outperform the 460 that I have checked and it's cheaper.

Maybe the reason that I'm getting the errors trying to use PowerDVD is because I only have PowerDVD 8 Ultra. I thought that it had BD capability, but if it does, I can't make it work.

ragejg · 10-03-10, 03:16 AM

Outperform a 460? Nope. Unless you're just talking about power consumption?

seeker · 10-03-10, 03:22 AM

It probably depends on the versions involved, but here are the ones that I'm comparing, and the 450 has more memory and clock speeds than the 460:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...&Sku=E145-0450

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...427&CatId=3670

newparad1gm · 10-03-10, 12:50 PM

The 460 still has 336 stream processors compared to the 450's 192. The 460 still outclasses the 450 in terms of pure computing power, even if the 450 is clocked higher, and the 460 has plenty of overclocking headroom itself. If all you want to do is do BD playback, you don't even need to look at these cards. A 9600 GT or GT 240 will do nicely for much cheaper.

**bacon12** · 10-03-10, 01:10 PM

I use a $30 radeon HD 3450 on my media machine. Handles every video format I have thrown at it with ease. I play BR thru Pwr Dvd 9 all the time, that 460 should be loafing. Its the best buy I have ever made for the money, HDMI out fanless. Can't beat it IMO.

I did have one problem a while back and pwr dvd wouldn't update, and I emailed support for the latest build.

JasonPC · 10-03-10, 01:22 PM

The 450 also uses a 128-bit memory interface, a little bit lower than that 460's 192-bit. So the 460 should get higher memory bandwidth.

10-02-10, 10:49 PM	#1
seeker AKA seekermeister Join Date: May 2005 Location: At home Posts: 1,442	GTX/GTS 460 For BD I can't be too specific, because I'm uncertain as to how to best solve my problem. I just got a new LG Blu Ray Combo drive, but am unable to play a Blue Ray movie...it only displays a black screen. I ran the Cyberlink BD Advisor, and it gave the screenshots below. Since I'm not currently interested or able to deal with 3D, I suspect that the primary problem is shown on the first screenshot, being that I'm lacking HDCP with my old BFG 7800GT, even though the specs that I have found for it says that it is HDCP okay. I only have a DVI to DVI connection, because my Acer X233H monitor doesn't work with a DVI to HDMI cable, and the graphics card doesn't have a HDMI connector. I'm probably wrong, but it seems that I vaguely recall discussions in the past, regarding some kind of regedit to cause it to work okay, but that may have only been for sound purposes, rather than HDCP. If there is no way to may my old video card work, I intend to replace it with a new card with HDMI on it, such as those mentioned in the thread title, and would like any suggestions that would help me to decide which to get. I understand that the GTX would be better for gaming purposes, but that really isn't a factor for me. Would the GTS do as well for BD performance? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Rig 1: HAF 922, X2 4400+, Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe , 4x1GB DDR400, 2x500GB, 1x80GB & 1x250GB + ESATCASE2 w/2x1TB HDs, LG CH10LS20 & GH22LS50, Samsung SH-S202N, Asus Xonar D2X,Creative 5.1, GTX460 SC, FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Acer X233H, Arris TM520G, Cisco E3000, Scythe Kama, CM RS600 PS,HP 5510v,APC BX1000, XP x64, W7 & Kubuntu 9.10 Rig 2: Antec SX1040BII, A8N-SLI, 2x1GB DDR400, 8800GTS, 1x500GB & 1x1TB HDs, Liteon LH-20AIL and Pioneer DVR-111, Audigy 2 ZS, Creative T20 2.1, Antec 500SP, W7 x64 & XP MCE

10-02-10, 11:17 PM	#2
JasonPC Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,103	Re: GTX/GTS 460 For BD I assume you mean the GTS 450 and GTX 460. They are both fine for BD playback. For a 460 you might need to be concerned about power consumption. A 450 only needs one 6-pin PEG connector while the 460 requires two. Both are significantly faster than the 7800. I think there are ways around HDCP, but it requires using another program than PowerDVD (AnyDVDHD I think). I believe cards around the era of the 7800 were pretty flaky about HDCP even if some claimed they supported it, I suspect because the technology was very new at the time. A DVI connection also should work fine for playing HDCP content.

10-02-10, 11:34 PM	#3
seeker AKA seekermeister Join Date: May 2005 Location: At home Posts: 1,442	Re: GTX/GTS 460 For BD Correct, regarding the typo. I haven't tried AnyDVDHD, but I did try one other software program, without any improvement, but I'll give that one a shot. Going back to the GTS/GTX portion, there is about $30 difference in price between them, which I would spend, if I thought it might help on this, or something else down the road. Power shouldn't be an issue, but would the 460 stand out in a fashion that a basic user such as myself would notice? __________________ Rig 1: HAF 922, X2 4400+, Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe , 4x1GB DDR400, 2x500GB, 1x80GB & 1x250GB + ESATCASE2 w/2x1TB HDs, LG CH10LS20 & GH22LS50, Samsung SH-S202N, Asus Xonar D2X,Creative 5.1, GTX460 SC, FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Acer X233H, Arris TM520G, Cisco E3000, Scythe Kama, CM RS600 PS,HP 5510v,APC BX1000, XP x64, W7 & Kubuntu 9.10 Rig 2: Antec SX1040BII, A8N-SLI, 2x1GB DDR400, 8800GTS, 1x500GB & 1x1TB HDs, Liteon LH-20AIL and Pioneer DVR-111, Audigy 2 ZS, Creative T20 2.1, Antec 500SP, W7 x64 & XP MCE

10-02-10, 11:44 PM	#4
JasonPC Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,103	Re: GTX/GTS 460 For BD The 460 is a pretty good value for not much extra cash. But you do have to consider that with both cards you're going to be very CPU limited. But if you plan on upgrading your CPU eventually, you'll see the best performance out of the 460. If you don't really plan on upgrading the CPU I'd say stick with the 450.

10-03-10, 02:16 AM	#5
seeker AKA seekermeister Join Date: May 2005 Location: At home Posts: 1,442	Re: GTX/GTS 460 For BD I will probably upgrade the CPU, but not very soon, because that would require a CPU, motherboard & ram bundle, which I would prefer not to pay the price for at the moment. However limited the 460 might be, I assume that it would still outperform the old 7800. I installed the trial for AnyDVD a bit ago, and I was somewhat confused, because it seemed to only work as a backend for WinDVD, rather than it's own player. I also tried using PowerDVD again, but it still displays the same error window as before. I doubt that I will buy AnyDVD, because it's pretty expensive in itself and has to be relicensed periodically. I would prefer to only pay once by upgrading the video card instead. The only other alternative would be if there is some other software that would accomplish what AnyDVD did, only at a cheaper price? __________________ Rig 1: HAF 922, X2 4400+, Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe , 4x1GB DDR400, 2x500GB, 1x80GB & 1x250GB + ESATCASE2 w/2x1TB HDs, LG CH10LS20 & GH22LS50, Samsung SH-S202N, Asus Xonar D2X,Creative 5.1, GTX460 SC, FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Acer X233H, Arris TM520G, Cisco E3000, Scythe Kama, CM RS600 PS,HP 5510v,APC BX1000, XP x64, W7 & Kubuntu 9.10 Rig 2: Antec SX1040BII, A8N-SLI, 2x1GB DDR400, 8800GTS, 1x500GB & 1x1TB HDs, Liteon LH-20AIL and Pioneer DVR-111, Audigy 2 ZS, Creative T20 2.1, Antec 500SP, W7 x64 & XP MCE

10-03-10, 02:51 AM	#6
wheeljack12 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Hamilton,Ontario,Canada Posts: 1,020	Re: GTX/GTS 460 For BD the only other software out there for bd playback that is comparable is arcsoft's truetheatre. But with arcsoft, you have to buy the simhd pack, then if you ever go 3d, the sim3d pack. If all you are concerned with is bd playback, stick with powerdvd. They gave users 3d playback of bd and dvd for free in the mark 2 powerdvd 10 patch. And it already upscales dvd's to hd afaik. As for graphics, if you are just interested in bd playback then gts 450 will be fine. If you are gaming and/or doing more video wise, then the gtx 460 is the best idea. btw, here is a comparison of the two cards: http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards....=634&card2=632 __________________ asus p8z77-v lk mb, 8gb ddr3-1866 mhz ram in dual channel,intel core i7 3770k cpu,zotac gtx 680 amp gpu, creative labs sb recon 3d pci-e,2x ocz agility 3 90gb ssd in raid 0,antec 650 watt 80 plus platunum psu,antec atx case, pioneer bdr-208 15x bluray writer,windows 8 64 bit oem, steelseries 6gv2 keyboard ,asus vg278he 27' 3d vision 2 lcd monitor, steelseries 6gv2 keyboard, steelseries sensei mlg editon mouse,xbox 360 wired controller for windows,lexar 16gb usb 3.0 flash drive I'd rather walk with God in the Dark than shine in the light alone. coming soon:2x samsung 840 pro 256gb in raid 0,logitech z906 5.1 speakers,,(4x4gb) 16gb team xtreem 2666mhz ram, 32gb kingston datatravler workspace usb 3.0 flash drive,3d vision 2 goggles,sound blaster z sound card, adaptec 6805e pci-e 2.0 4x sata 3 raid controller,lg 16x bd writer

10-03-10, 03:04 AM	#7
seeker AKA seekermeister Join Date: May 2005 Location: At home Posts: 1,442	Re: GTX/GTS 460 For BD I think that I will go with the EVGA 01G-P3-1452-TR GeForce GTS 450 SuperClocked . From the specs it appears to outperform the 460 that I have checked and it's cheaper. Maybe the reason that I'm getting the errors trying to use PowerDVD is because I only have PowerDVD 8 Ultra. I thought that it had BD capability, but if it does, I can't make it work. __________________ Rig 1: HAF 922, X2 4400+, Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe , 4x1GB DDR400, 2x500GB, 1x80GB & 1x250GB + ESATCASE2 w/2x1TB HDs, LG CH10LS20 & GH22LS50, Samsung SH-S202N, Asus Xonar D2X,Creative 5.1, GTX460 SC, FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Acer X233H, Arris TM520G, Cisco E3000, Scythe Kama, CM RS600 PS,HP 5510v,APC BX1000, XP x64, W7 & Kubuntu 9.10 Rig 2: Antec SX1040BII, A8N-SLI, 2x1GB DDR400, 8800GTS, 1x500GB & 1x1TB HDs, Liteon LH-20AIL and Pioneer DVR-111, Audigy 2 ZS, Creative T20 2.1, Antec 500SP, W7 x64 & XP MCE

10-03-10, 03:16 AM	#8
ragejg nV News Alumni Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Finger Lakes of Hell, NY Posts: 5,399	Re: GTX/GTS 460 For BD Outperform a 460? Nope. Unless you're just talking about power consumption? __________________ 2010-2011 Reviews: GTX 570 \| GTX 580 \| GTS 450 \| GTX 460 \| GTX 465 Pre-2010 Reviews: 6600 GT \| XMS 4400 DDR \| SilenX Cooler \| 6800 \| 5900 XT \| Personal Cinema \| 5900 NU ______________________________________________ Phenom II x6 1090t @ 4.0 ghz \| Asus M498TD-EVO Am3 SLI nForce 980a \| 2x EVGA GTX 560 SLI \| 2x4gb DDR3-1333 \| Antec EarthWatts EA650 PSU \| 60gb Mushkin Calisto Enhanced Sandforce SSD \| 2x WD2500KS RAID 0 \| Sunbeam Tuniq 3 case \| 24" Asus 19x10 LED LCD \| 26" Panasonic 720p TV \| Sidewinder X5 mouse \| Logitech MX5500 & Revolution mouse \| Altec Lansing 5.1 THX-Certified audio \| Win 7 Ultimate \| desk \| couch "Stars must die so that I may live. I... stepped out of a Supernova."

10-03-10, 03:22 AM	#9
seeker AKA seekermeister Join Date: May 2005 Location: At home Posts: 1,442	Re: GTX/GTS 460 For BD It probably depends on the versions involved, but here are the ones that I'm comparing, and the 450 has more memory and clock speeds than the 460: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...&Sku=E145-0450 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...427&CatId=3670 __________________ Rig 1: HAF 922, X2 4400+, Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe , 4x1GB DDR400, 2x500GB, 1x80GB & 1x250GB + ESATCASE2 w/2x1TB HDs, LG CH10LS20 & GH22LS50, Samsung SH-S202N, Asus Xonar D2X,Creative 5.1, GTX460 SC, FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Acer X233H, Arris TM520G, Cisco E3000, Scythe Kama, CM RS600 PS,HP 5510v,APC BX1000, XP x64, W7 & Kubuntu 9.10 Rig 2: Antec SX1040BII, A8N-SLI, 2x1GB DDR400, 8800GTS, 1x500GB & 1x1TB HDs, Liteon LH-20AIL and Pioneer DVR-111, Audigy 2 ZS, Creative T20 2.1, Antec 500SP, W7 x64 & XP MCE

10-03-10, 12:50 PM	#10
newparad1gm Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 690	Re: GTX/GTS 460 For BD The 460 still has 336 stream processors compared to the 450's 192. The 460 still outclasses the 450 in terms of pure computing power, even if the 450 is clocked higher, and the 460 has plenty of overclocking headroom itself. If all you want to do is do BD playback, you don't even need to look at these cards. A 9600 GT or GT 240 will do nicely for much cheaper. __________________ WAR MACHINE: Intel Core i7 3930K \| Asus X79 Sabertooth \| 4x4 GB G.Skill RipJaw PC3-12800 \| 2x EVGA NVIDIA GTX TITAN Signature 6GB SLI \| OCZ Vertex 3 240GB SSD \| 2x500 GB Seagate Barracuda RAID 0 \| Seagate FreeAgent 500GB External \| LG BD-ROM \| Cyber Acoustics CA3001WB 2.1 Speakers \| ABS SL 1050W PSU \| 3x Acer GD235HZ 23.6in 120Hz \| Silverstone Fortress FT02 \| Windows 8 Pro x64 \| NVIDIA 3DVision SURROUND CRIMSON DYNAMO: Intel Core i7 2600K \| Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H \| 2x4 GB G.Skill Ripjaw PC3-12800 \| XFX AMD HD7970 3GB \| Intel X-25M G2 160GB SSD \| 2x250GB RAID 0 \| Samsung BD-ROM \| Corsair TX 850W PSU \| Toshiba 42" REGZA 1080p HDTV \| Antec 900 ATX \| Windows 8 Pro x64 Sailor Jupiter (HTPC): Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200 \| ZOTAC Geforce 9300 \| 2x2 GB OCZ Fatal1ty PC2-8500 \| WD 1TB \| Hitachi 2TB External \| MediaSonic HFR2-SU3S2 6x3TB Seagate Barracuda RAID 1+0 \| LG Blu-Ray/HD DVD-ROM \| FSP 150W PSU \| Toshiba 42" REGZA 1080p HDTV \| Foxconn RS233 mini-ITX \| Windows 7 Pro x86

10-03-10, 01:10 PM	#11
bacon12 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,536	Re: GTX/GTS 460 For BD I use a $30 radeon HD 3450 on my media machine. Handles every video format I have thrown at it with ease. I play BR thru Pwr Dvd 9 all the time, that 460 should be loafing. Its the best buy I have ever made for the money, HDMI out fanless. Can't beat it IMO. I did have one problem a while back and pwr dvd wouldn't update, and I emailed support for the latest build.

10-03-10, 01:22 PM	#12
JasonPC Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,103	Re: GTX/GTS 460 For BD The 450 also uses a 128-bit memory interface, a little bit lower than that 460's 192-bit. So the 460 should get higher memory bandwidth.