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Old 08-01-03, 02:27 PM   #37
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And then there's the NV40, and I'd be very surprised if the NV40 wasn't at least nearly as good as the R420 again. My guess right now is, performance-wise, it'd be a mixed bag. And the NV40 would win hands down feature-wise. Of course, that doesn't even mean anything: because a mixed bag is never really balanced...
You sure its going to beat it feature wise? It seems to me ATI is going to have a lot more time to just work on special features since the R300 wont need as much as an architectural overhaul to get better, or maybe they are waiting for the R500 beast to pack in the special features?
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You sure its going to beat it feature wise? It seems to me ATI is going to have a lot more time to just work on special features since the R300 wont need as much as an architectural overhaul to get better, or maybe they are waiting for the R500 beast to pack in the special features?
Different teams are working on the R400 than worked on the R300, and same with NV40 vs. NV30. These teams will be basing improvements on lessons learned instead of the actual architectures.

Anyway, note that nVidia still has quite a bit more money to throw around. It would be more than a little amazing if nVidia fell short a second time.
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Well, it took nearly 2 years for 3DFX to fully lose brand recognition.

But... Contrarly to nVidia, they didn't have parts which were near in performance to their competition. The V5 5500 got killed by the GF2 GTS.
Two years before 3dfx fell, the V3 3000 was out, not the V5 5500, and it was about as good as the competition at that time (it was a little faster than nvidia's alternative TNT2, but only 24-bit color in 3d), and 3dfx was making us big promises for the future at that time. I'd say the analogy is (so far) in-tact.

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i think wheter we like others IHV's or not ,WE NEED the competition..
the more the better ,i remember few years ago when my friend bought a P3 500mhz for $850 +S$H (with his tecnnician discount) in a authorized distribrution dealer in US.. in less than a year , another friend was selling me his old P3 500 for only $50 . , ( later i remember the P31ghz in the first weeks when it was new the insane cost was beyond $1000

its competition the only thing that push lower prices in very short time .without AMD sucessfull ATLon XP's ,INTel will still be selling desktop CPUs beyond $1,000. same with ATI and NVidia.. without AMD incoming 64bits processors we will be paying insane sums of money THousands for something similar. not only competitions keep prices more competitive ,but they also keep substantials improvements in features and performance too.the competiton of R300 lowered the prices of Geforce4's like never in the history.. a gf4ti200 64megs ~$75 .todays latest VIdeo cards cost $500 ,look again the prices when ATI and Nvidia release in 6-8 months their R400 and Nv40. and fx5900ltra and radeon9800pro for ~ $250 and maybe lower. by the way ATI and Nvidia release video cards it looks now that we are in a 3 month cycle

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But way back when when there were like 4+ competitors in the graphic card market, werent prices even higher than they are now?
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But way back when when there were like 4+ competitors in the graphic card market, werent prices even higher than they are now?
in the past there were many IHV vendors..something like 50? according to Nvidia CEO, but only ATI/NVidia and 3dx were the real competitors.its not the quantity but the quality of the competition that force prices lower.
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I dont think devs need yahoo or xbit lab reports to decide to optimize for nvidia, i think nvidia is fully capable of going to the devs themselves
Trying to convince a developer that they should program for your card because it is the most widely used is difficult when numbers prove otherwise. In this case, the numbers prove Nvidia's case, so it gives them more evidence to make their case.
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2. nVidia's history: a long history of stability, reliability, and good performance means quite a lot. ATI is currently trying to live down a history of the exact opposite nature.
Yep I've been in the PC market for a lonnnnnng time, and one of my main reasons for not buying ATI is bad experience with their older cards. The other is terrible stereographic support.
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but now ATI has kick butt products that are better then the competition. Im tired of all these Gstanfords who would rather eat feces then use ATIs cards.
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But way back when when there were like 4+ competitors in the graphic card market, werent prices even higher than they are now?
Not really. A Voodoo2 SLI setup was expensive, but we never used to see single cards priced at $500. Not counting the gf2Ultra...but NVIDIA was dominating by then.
 
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