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Old 04-11-11, 02:34 PM   #13
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May I ask why is 5.1 not sufficient?
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Old 04-11-11, 02:45 PM   #14
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It might have to do... Of the devices i mentioned...

Only one can do DD/DTS 5.1 (prolly 2ch), or possibly DTS-MA/TruHD 8ch LPCM, but highly unlikely.
The colossus may be another option not yet on my list, as there's talk that DTS 5.1 is also coming for hdmi.

As to why DD/DTS 5.1 is not sufficient....
I will explain later or reread my earlier posts (pretty sure i explained then), 440am.
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Old 04-11-11, 02:54 PM   #15
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It might have to do... Of the devices i mentioned...

Only one can do DD/DTS 5.1 (prolly 2ch), or possibly DTS-MA/TruHD 8ch LPCM, but highly unlikely.
The colossus my be another option not yet on my list, as there's talk that DTS 5.1 is also coming for hdmi.

As to why DD/DTS 5.1 is not sufficient....
I will explain later or reread my earlier posts (pretty sure i explained then), 440am.
You said that you didn't want Optical or SPDIF because they only carry 5.1, but you didn't say why you need 7.1 as opposed to 5.1. I really doubt you will be able to tell a difference on your own setup, and capturing audio via SPDIF or optical is much easier than messing with HDMI and HDCP.
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Old 04-12-11, 03:00 AM   #16
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You said that you didn't want Optical or SPDIF because they only carry 5.1, but you didn't say why you need 7.1 as opposed to 5.1. I really doubt you will be able to tell a difference on your own setup, and capturing audio via SPDIF or optical is much easier than messing with HDMI and HDCP.
Not every BD utilises HD audio & it's not for capturing HD audio from BD's anyway, as that can be done "on PC".
It's for capturing HD audio that's sometimes used in PS3 games, and on the rare occasion, Xbox games.
Although for the latter I won't be able to grab HD audio, because Xbox's can only pass DD/DTS 5.1 2ch LPCM externally.

But it's looking increasingly unlikely that a HDMI device that can capture HD audio exists.
So I may have to settle for one of the aforementioned, or one of the soundcards that does the same.

OR...

A multi-ch analogue capture card, but that just gets too complicated don't you reckon?!?
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta44.html
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta66.html
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010LT.html

If I go for digital capture....
I'm leaning more towards the colossus, as it can also capture/transcode analogue, which may be handy if DVB-C tuning's unreliable!
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Old 04-12-11, 03:09 AM   #17
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90% of capture cards / devices won't record HDMI sources because it's considered copyrighted material. HOWEVER, I personally use the Avermedia Avertv HD DVR. It's around $100 or so. I then use a powered splitter to send the hdmi signal to both my tv and my pc. Using the software that came with the Avertv, you can run the hdmi option and it will give you an error. Once it does that (leave the software running) fire up VH Capture (a free software download) to actually see the hdmi signal. You can then use fraps to record the vid feed. It sounds like a hassle, but it's actually pretty easy to set up and it takes great video records. Hope this helps.
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Old 04-12-11, 03:15 AM   #18
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Attention modz, apologies for the inconvenience, but can we change thread title to:
HDMI device that can capture (unencrypted) "HD" audio sources?
The one I suggested earlier was a bit "long winded"...

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Old 04-12-11, 03:38 AM   #19
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HOWEVER, I personally use the Avermedia Avertv HD DVR. It's around $100 or so. I then use a powered splitter to send the hdmi signal to both my tv and my pc. Using the software that came with the Avertv, you can run the hdmi option and it will give you an error. Once it does that (leave the software running) fire up VH Capture (a free software download) to actually see the hdmi signal. You can then use fraps to record the vid feed. It sounds like a hassle, but it's actually pretty easy to set up and it takes great video records. Hope this helps.
Yeah I know about that, I think I already mentioned it earlier in this thread.
Alas the Aver card is only capable of 2ch LPCM & does not recognise DD/DTS formats.

Also there's a stripper available soon, that negates the need to rely on such "software flaws".
So I can use any HDMI capture card that comes closer to my requirements...
The great thing about this stripper is that it does HDMI-out (inc. audio), & supposedly may also pass "HD" audio.
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Old 04-13-11, 04:09 PM   #20
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Old 04-14-11, 03:27 PM   #21
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Anyone, post #12? Thank-you.

Modz can you please change thread title:
HDMI device that can capture (unencrypted) "HD" audio sources?
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Old 04-18-11, 02:55 PM   #22
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Old 04-19-11, 03:39 AM   #23
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The only other devices that come kinda close, but I doubt will be usable unless anyone can verify/debunk are:
http://www.grassvalley.com/products/pegasus
Available via USB or PCIe
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/
No PCI/e card option...
http://www.matrox.com/video/en/products/pc/mxo2_family/
I think these 3 can all be ruled-out, because as far as I can tell...
None support reading/capturing any of the incoming DD/DTS formats?
This leaves only the Colossus, CaptureX, MonsterXX, or the Analogue capture cards.
I've asked Skydigital (CaptureX) questions similar to this:

(1) Does the card allow "real-time processing"?

i.e. Many (not all) capture devices allow real-time access to captured data.
That way it can be grabbed & reprocessed/redirected, as the remaining data comes in.

(2) What format is the captured audio data stored once it's dumped locally?


Signs are positive based on their feedback to those questions (they're Koreans).
Although so far I've not had feedback directly from them...
Only reformatted & sent via a retailer here in Australia, who -bizarrely- won't give me their direct addy.
Skydigital only have a web-form on their site, which they won't respond to
I'm trying to work out how to contact them directly, I don't trust the retailer acting as a intermediary.

I'm yet to ask Hauppauge the same set of questions...
I will also formulate a similar set of questions for M-Audio, to see if their analogue cards are suitable.
For the MonsterXX (SKNet) there's absolutely no specs on their product page yet.
So far SKNet has only confirmed it's going into production, they have not answered my other questions
(They're Japanese)

If anyone can think of anything else that needs to be asked, please advise.
If you know how I can get answers to my current questions for MonsterXX & CaputreX, please do tell!
I'm not anticipating any issues in getting feedback from Hauppauge.
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Old 04-20-11, 09:11 AM   #24
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Google voice works beautifully w00t!
Got through to Hauppauge in Singapore, & SKNet in Japan successfully.
Skydigital & others here I come, no longer shall you ignore me!
Hopefully more updates in 24hrs, once I've got much more feedback.
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