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Old 09-04-03, 08:31 AM   #376
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Lightbulb flickering

I have this problem on my geforce 3 TI 200.

It is entirely related to electro-magnetic noise from inside my system as well as outside.

This is one reason monitor cables have ferrite cores on them.

there is no such EM protection from inside the case.

Considering I have 2 9000 RPM fans within 6 inches of the video card, I'm not surprised in the least.

It's not a design flaw, it's an environmental side-effect.
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Old 09-04-03, 08:43 AM   #377
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It's not a design flaw, it's an environmental side-effect.
I would like to add that although the problem has been present all along it wasn't noticeable until now... It's an odd, "new" issue which couldn't be prevented because... well, because it's "new"

Again, today is unfortunately not the day...
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Old 09-04-03, 09:10 AM   #378
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It's not a design flaw, it's an environmental side-effect.
A foolish statement. I imagine that getting your brains splattered on the windshield because a car was designed without seatbelts is not a design flaw but an environment side effect too? Give me a freaking break!
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Old 09-04-03, 09:12 AM   #379
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I would like to add that although the problem has been present all along it wasn't noticeable until now...
Another completely misguided statement. This problem is not present on GF3 and GF4.
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Old 09-04-03, 09:15 AM   #380
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Let's all take a few deep breaths. No one knows for sure when NVIDIA will address this issue but it's going to be sooner than later.
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Old 09-04-03, 09:26 AM   #381
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Maybe we should call the EPA or Greenpeace to fix our cards!

I am sure this has nothing to do with it but do most of the people with the problem seem to be on an AMD system?

There is also not much point in defecting to ATI when they are having the rolling line problem and yes there are plenty of 9800 owners with that problem.
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Old 09-04-03, 09:28 AM   #382
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I am sure this has nothing to do with it but do most of the people with the problem seem to be on an AMD system?
There are quite a few Intel users with the issue, but among AMD users, quite a few seem to be using KT400 chipsets, leading me to believe that yes, it is an environmental issue of some sort.

Wish I had a card that flickered so I could monkey with it for about six hours one day.
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Wish I had a card that flickered so I could monkey with it for about six hours one day.
No kidding, I wish I had one that flickered too. We should probably be careful what we wish for though.
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Wish I had a card that flickered so I could monkey with it for about six hours one day.
You could have my flickering 5900U but if your 5900U doesn't flicker in your system, so won't mine...
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Old 09-04-03, 12:06 PM   #385
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Nividia rush the 5800 and the 5900. At lest ATI fix the problem with the 9800, after all thier frist high end card was the 9700. Nividia has no excuse. I think they left out something on the card. Just look at the prototype 5900 and then look the production card, the prototype has more caps. I believe the power is not being filtered properly. It all come down to saving a few bucks.
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Nividia rush the 5800 and the 5900. At lest ATI fix the problem with the 9800, after all thier frist high end card was the 9700. Nividia has no excuse. I think they left out something on the card. Just look at the prototype 5900 and then look the production card, the prototype has more caps. I believe the power is not being filtered properly. It all come down to saving a few bucks.
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They definitely rushed the dustbuster fx card but the 5900 series they did not rush. They definitely fixed alot with it. Otherwise I would be sitting with a 9800 Pro instead right now.
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They definitely rushed the dustbuster fx card but the 5900 series they did not rush. They definitely fixed alot with it. Otherwise I would be sitting with a 9800 Pro instead right now.

Hook that baby up to a CRT a see what happens.
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Hook that baby up to a CRT a see what happens.
I don't have that problem. We don't know what the problem is caused by with the people that do have it. It exists on both ATI and Nvidia platforms and you will see that if you take the time to actually read the previous posts.
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ATI DOES NOT HAVE THE PROBLEM. If make feel better you can say ati has a problem.
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ATI DOES NOT HAVE THE PROBLEM. If make feel better you can say ati has a problem.
Quit spouting BS when you haven't even read through the posts here and at Rage3d. I am not wanting ATI to have the problem, they just simply DO.
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ATI DOES NOT HAVE THE PROBLEM. If make feel better you can say ati has a problem.
ATI did have a problem with some of the 9700 Pro. You just had to look into the rage3d forums. Not sure if they have it now with the 9800 Pro. I myself have revision 3 of the 9700 Pro and I do get some flickering lines....but its not an every day occurence and only in 2d!


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Went to every post. 9800 has been fix. Can say much for 9700s. Maybe thats why I didnt buy one. Love my Visiontec 4600ti.
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Quit spouting BS when you haven't even read through the posts here and at Rage3d. I am not wanting ATI to have the problem, they just simply DO.
He's not spouting BS, and I have read tons of posts in both places. 9800 cards don't have the SAME widespread problem that 5900 cards do. 9700/9500 cards had a different widespread problem. 9800 cards don't. But ATI cards still have poor drivers that bring down your system.
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He's not spouting BS, and I have read tons of posts in both places. 9800 cards don't have the SAME widespread problem that 5900 cards do. 9700/9500 cards had a different widespread problem. 9800 cards don't. But ATI cards still have poor drivers that bring down your system.
I do agree it does not seem as widespread on ATI but there are people with 9800 Pro cards with the flicker problem as previously posted. Most had the intermittant rolling line problem.

Ofcourse it may not seem as widespread on ATI over here because this IS an Nvidia forum.
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Curious.... Now a very few people say and repeat over and over again that its the same exact problem as the ati 9700's/9800's have and that they flicker also. Now if this is the same exact problem why am I not getting this on the same exact systems without any conditions changed other the 9700/9800/5900 boards being swapped in and out and the problem only show up for me on the 5900 boards I've tried. So if this the same exact problem then why am I not having the issue with the ati boards?
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It pays to have a little computer savy. And yes nividia drivers are the best.
I will miss them. Not looking forward went it comes time to uninstalling cat 3.6. Its going to be more work, but it will get done.
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I do agree it does not seem as widespread on ATI but there are people with 9800 Pro cards with the flicker problem as previously posted. Most had the intermittant rolling line problem.

Ofcourse it may not seem as widespread on ATI over here because this IS an Nvidia forum.


They need an upgrade, possibly a PSU problem.
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Curious.... Now a very few people say and repeat over and over again that its the same exact problem as the ati 9700's/9800's have and that they flicker also. Now if this is the same exact problem why am I not getting this on the same exact systems without any conditions changed other the 9700/9800/5900 boards being swapped in and out and the problem only show up for me on the 5900 boards I've tried. So if this the same exact problem then why am I not having the issue with the ati boards?
I won't pretend to be an expert on electronic interference or the specific facts surrounding video card construction and design. However, it doesn't take an expert to realize that no two pieces of hardware are *exactly* the same. Throw in the variables involved with a complete system (case, mobo, memory, fans, etc, etc, etc) and you have a recipe for something that cannot be justly oversimplified.

In other words, with a problem of this nature (apparent electronic intereference, heat variances, power variances, whatever) you can't really compare apples-to-apples between an ATI card and an NVIDIA card. They're both very different on so many specific levels. In other words, the surrounding factors in your system that *may* be causing the 5900 problems cannot be assumed to be the *exact same* surrounding factors that would/should cause the same problems with an ATI 9800. If you put that 9800 into an environment that adversely affected other 9800s then I'd say you could/should more likely expect to see your 9800 behave similarly.

I'm not defending anyone/thing here. Just trying to point out that this issue doesn't lend itself to be something that can be oversimplified. That resulting simplification does not amount to reasonable or useful discussion which would hopefully lead all of us towards a solution.

At any rate...I'm getting a vibe that NVIDIA may have found a solution that can be resolved with some form of BIOS or driver adjustment. None of us can know for sure though for the time being.
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You could have my flickering 5900U but if your 5900U doesn't flicker in your system, so won't mine...
You are in a windy, twisty maze, You could have my flickering 5900U but if your 5900U doesn't flicker in your system, so won't mine...

If you're not bound by NDA, why not just tell us?
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I won't pretend to be an expert on electronic interference or the specific facts surrounding video card construction and design. However, it doesn't take an expert to realize that no two pieces of hardware are *exactly* the same. Throw in the variables involved with a complete system (case, mobo, memory, fans, etc, etc, etc) and you have a recipe for something that cannot be justly oversimplified.

In other words, with a problem of this nature (apparent electronic intereference, heat variances, power variances, whatever) you can't really compare apples-to-apples between an ATI card and an NVIDIA card. They're both very different on so many specific levels. In other words, the surrounding factors in your system that *may* be causing the 5900 problems cannot be assumed to be the *exact same* surrounding factors that would/should cause the same problems with an ATI 9800. If you put that 9800 into an environment that adversely affected other 9800s then I'd say you could/should more likely expect to see your 9800 behave similarly.

I'm not defending anyone/thing here. Just trying to point out that this issue doesn't lend itself to be something that can be oversimplified. That resulting simplification does not amount to reasonable or useful discussion which would hopefully lead all of us towards a solution.

At any rate...I'm getting a vibe that NVIDIA may have found a solution that can be resolved with some form of BIOS or driver adjustment. None of us can know for sure though for the time being.


Nv5900s have a common problem called flickering, strobing or whatever it is its something nividia over looked. Made the phone calls to pros and they said "common problem" What is the delay for? nividia stock maybe?
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