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Old 09-07-03, 08:26 PM   #451
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Seems to me that owners of the BFG Geforcefx5900's are not experiencing these issues or less of us are. The one I own hasn't flickered or made noises when moving the mouse wheel at all.

I've tested it on DVI/Analog on my Viewsonic Vx800 18" display as well as my old 19" CRT on analog. Both have no flicker. I've been playing many games and there is no flickering to be seen.
If you read the review on this site of the BFG Ultra card you can see on page 2 that he states BFG added extra capacitors on the end of the card contrary to the Nvidia reference card. He shows pictures of each.

This is probably why the BFG cards don't have the flicker problem. The "True lifetime warranty" is one of the main reasons I chose BFG.
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Old 09-07-03, 10:44 PM   #452
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If you read the review on this site of the BFG Ultra card you can see on page 2 that he states BFG added extra capacitors on the end of the card contrary to the Nvidia reference card. He shows pictures of each.

This is probably why the BFG cards don't have the flicker problem. The "True lifetime warranty" is one of the main reasons I chose BFG.
In your reference to my review I just wanted to clarify my statements which were:
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In comparing the two images below of NVIDIA's reference design card and BFG's production card note the extra capacitors on the BFG card near the tail. The NVIDIA image is a pre-production shot though so this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. I just thought it was interesting to see the added capacitors on the production card.
I stated that the top image was a pre-production shot and that it wasn't apples-to-apples with what *may* have been a final production version of the reference design. If that is the case (and the later production version from NVIDIA included the extra capacitors) then it's a moot point.

Also worth noting is that in my Q&A emails with BFG they confirmed that they made absolutely no changes to the card from the final NVIDIA reference design.
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Old 09-08-03, 12:00 AM   #453
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I seem to be having the same problem with my video card, Geforce 2 GTS. The screen will just freeze for a second, the sound will go on in the background. If I move the mouse around a lot, or press the start menu key a few times, it'll flicker black, and my screen will show up again, sometimes with messed up graphics or after images of programs I either tried to move the window or had closed. I used trouble shooting within windows, none of it helped me. Also it doesn't affect many of my fullscreen programs. But most of my games and applications are windowed ones, and it's very hard to keep from dying on one of the games with the screen freezing and flickering, or trying to type something out in chat. I hope this helps you all find some way to fix it, because I definetly don't know how.

The driver version is 6.14.10.4523

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Old 09-08-03, 01:44 AM   #454
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that sounds like a different problem, korvalt.... more like a software issue.

Our issue is a little deeper of a problem.

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Old 09-08-03, 09:07 AM   #456
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I'll find the cause of your flickering problem and help you solve it.
No, you won't. Anything you can think of has been tried already by numerous people in this thread. And even if it were something like you describe, the card is still faulty. There is no excuse for the GFFX to have this problem in a system where a Radeon 9800, GF3, and a GF4 had ZERO problems with flicker. So unless you're willing to admit the truth that this is a real problem with GFFX cards, get out of here!
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It's a proven fact that some 9800 owners have the same problem. Something to do with the 8x.
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It's a proven fact that some 9800 owners have the same problem. Something to do with the 8x.

Were is the proof smart guy?




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Old 09-08-03, 11:03 PM   #459
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It's a proven fact that some 9800 owners have the same problem. Something to do with the 8x.
NO. NO NO NO! If that were true, the 9800 PRO I had in this system would have flickered just like the 5900 did. But it didn't! The only thing I changed was the card! And its not ATI residue either, I did a fresh install for the 5900. I should have stuck with ATI.
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NO. NO NO NO! If that were true, the 9800 PRO I had in this system would have flickered just like the 5900 did. But it didn't! The only thing I changed was the card! And its not ATI residue either, I did a fresh install for the 5900. I should have stuck with ATI.
The 9800Pro and 5900U are not the same thing...therefore it isn't logical to presume that the 9800Pro would flicker just like the 5900U simply because it is in the same physical system. Whatever in the system (power, shielding, etc, etc) affects the 5900U may not necessarily be what affects the 9800Pro.
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The 9800Pro and 5900U are not the same thing...therefore it isn't logical to presume that the 9800Pro would flicker just like the 5900U simply because it is in the same physical system. Whatever in the system (power, shielding, etc, etc) affects the 5900U may not necessarily be what affects the 9800Pro.
And so ladies and gentlemen of the jury...this leaves no other conclusion than that the FX line of cards are DUDS. If you pay a zqillion $$ for high end gear you expect 'high end gear'.

We rest our case.

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Old 09-09-03, 08:10 AM   #462
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And so ladies and gentlemen of the jury...this leaves no other conclusion than that the FX line of cards are DUDS. If you pay a zqillion $$ for high end gear you expect 'high end gear'.

We rest our case.

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Then why is mine problem free and the majority of BFG and Albatron owners. Hmmm.

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NO. NO NO NO! If that were true, the 9800 PRO I had in this system would have flickered just like the 5900 did. But it didn't! The only thing I changed was the card! And its not ATI residue either, I did a fresh install for the 5900. I should have stuck with ATI.
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And so ladies and gentlemen of the jury...this leaves no other conclusion than that the FX line of cards are DUDS. If you pay a zqillion $$ for high end gear you expect 'high end gear'.

We rest our case.

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My BFG 5900 Ultra runs perfectly, so does my 9800Pro. I know people personally that have these cards with absolutly no problems either. The only flickering cases I'm aware of are from posts in forums here and elsewhre.

I'm not saying that there aren't problems with these cards but to say the entire line of cards are duds is not true.
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Pixel shader 2.0 performance on FX cards anyone?


*still it was a damn good troll.

I don't troll. The topic was about flickering, not PS 2.0 performance. My statement stands firm on the fact that the entire line of cards are not duds regarding flickering. You made no recent mention of PS 2.0 performance until just now.

*good troll on your part.

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The 5900 is a piece of junk not just the flickering, but IQ sucks big time. Why dont you try your 5900 on a good CRT and see what happens.





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The 5900 is a piece of junk not just the flickering, but IQ sucks big time. Why dont you try your 5900 on a good CRT and see what happens.
Since you didn't quote I assume you were responding to my last post.

I'm not going to join in with ad hominem arguments. My personal opinion, however, using the following CRT: Hitachi CM721FB CRT Monitor - 19-Inch / 85Hz Refresh Rate is that IQ differences between the 5900U and 9800Pro are negligable in games from my own comparison screenshots (even when zooming at at up to 500%). I've not done extensive IQ testing in 2D apps or with just Windows but my overall impression of 2D IQ differences is similar to that of 3D.

The 9800Pro is faster than the 5900U in UT2003 by a few FPS and up to 10FPS faster in Morrowind at various settings. Considering the price difference it goes without saying that the 9800Pro is a better buy right now. However, to say that one or the other "is a piece of junk" as a blanket statement just isn't true until we have hard facts as to how many of either card is problematic compared to how many are problem-free. We just don't know those statistics though.

If 100 people have problematic 5900Us and they all speak up in a forum about it...who's to say that 10,000 people don't have perfect 5900Us? Those without problems aren't nearly as likely to be posting that their card works just fine. My point is that there is obviously a problem but to what extent no one can yet say so blanket statements hold no water.
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[b]The 5900 is a piece of junk not just the flickering, but IQ sucks big time. Why dont you try your 5900 on a good CRT and see what happens.
I have tried it on my CRT 19" 1600x1200 display. The IQ is just as good, if not better than on my friends 9800pro. You should realize that Nvidia Manufacturers don't use all the same quality RFI filters and components. I find my BFG to have great IQ.

No flickering or noises as well.
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The 5900 is a piece of junk not just the flickering, but IQ sucks big time. Why dont you try your 5900 on a good CRT and see what happens.





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I hope you get a good night sleep. I know I will.

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I hope you get a good night sleep. I know I will.
Hey that's great. Nighty-night and sweet dreams and stuff.
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Hey that's great. Nighty-night and sweet dreams and stuff.

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I have lost faith in Nvidia responding. I don't think they will because there is nothing they could say that won't enrage everyone. I think they will quietly fix this problem at some point in the future. But I have lost my patience, so with signs that ATI continue to improve their driver quality, I will give the ATI 9800XT a shot, unless NV38 comes out first and I read that it fixes the flicker problem for people. Heck, if NV38 won't be as fast as 5900 Ultra, and no faster Nvidia product will exist until NV40, then I probably won't bother with NV38 at all. By the time NV40 comes out in the spring, it sounds like R420 on the stable .15 micron tech will be out, and if it really is 2X faster than a 9800, I am afraid Nvidia will truly be destined to become the graphics underdog. And no, I am not an ATI fanboy, I've RMA'ed TWO ATI cards already (plus a 5900) and currently have a GF4 in my comp.
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this sucks. i think im being screwed over by the companies involved because none of them want to take responsibility for this. So far no word from NVIDIA, MSI still has stopped responding to my emails, and my retailer wont give me a refund. a;lksjdlkfj;alkj;dlkj;lfkj;alkdjlskjflskdjf;alskdj f; (%#*))(#*%)

Does anyone want to buy a very good condition MSI GeForce FX 5900 Ultra 256mb?
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NVIDIA was made aware of an issue involving the GeForce FX 5900 series of graphics cards where some users have reported a slight "flickering" of the image on their screen, visible on a light color background in certain 3D scenes.

In examining the information available, NVIDIA has determined that the issue may involve an interaction between select combinations of the graphics card, system, monitor, other electronic components and the application which creates noise or signal interference.

If you are experiencing this issue on a GeForce FX 5900 or GeForce FX 5900 Ultra card, you can download this driver fix (9.28 MB). It is available on our affiliate sites:


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