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Old 03-08-11, 05:57 PM   #13
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Ahh, so its barely louder than the 480 GTX that you got a huge boner for and thought was so great Rollo, but your limit is right there at the 580 GTX huh? LOL.
Saying it's barely louder than a 480 is like saying a 480 is barely louder than a 5870. Is that what you are claiming?
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Old 03-08-11, 06:16 PM   #14
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When it comes to these $700 cards I don't understand why Nvidia and ATI don't work with an after market company and add a really top notch cooling solution as the stock cooler... if you're spending $700 on a card is an extra $25-$35 really a breaking point?
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Old 03-08-11, 06:29 PM   #15
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Ahh, so its barely louder than the 480 GTX that you got a huge boner for and thought was so great Rollo, but your limit is right there at the 580 GTX huh? LOL.
Hmmm, if you look at MadPistol's post of AnandTech's sound benches you'll see:

5870 - 59.3 db GTX480 - 64.1 db Difference of 4.7db
GTX480 - 64.1db HD699 - 70.2db Difference of 6.1db

So now the 6990 is "barely louder" than a GTX480? Back then, were you posting that a GTX480 was "barely louder" than a HD5870 Ninja Prime?

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"Guys, we made a loud, hot card, what do we do?"

"Send in the viral marketing clowns!"
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Card is loud. Louder than pretty much any other card. Actually measured with microphones. However, people who buy them, subjectively say, "oh its not bad, its not really hot, ect." Some wizard probably cast level 9 videocard cooling spell on them.
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...highlight=loud

No, you pretty much said the the GTX 480 should be illegal, and now the 6990 is mysteriously "barely louder" at a whopping 6db louder.

Back on topic:

It's a given dual GF110s produce more heat than dual 6970s. SO, can NVIDIA pull off another engineering feat and cool them without having our wives asking why we're drying our hair in our computer rooms? (like the owners of this card are facing)

If the rumors are true we'll know soon.
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Hmmm, if you look at MadPistol's post of AnandTech's sound benches you'll see:

5870 - 59.3 db GTX480 - 64.1 db Difference of 4.7db
GTX480 - 64.1db HD699 - 70.2db Difference of 6.1db

So now the 6990 is "barely louder" than a GTX480? Back then, were you posting that a GTX480 was "barely louder" than a HD5870 Ninja Prime?





http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...highlight=loud

No, you pretty much said the the GTX 480 should be illegal, and now the 6990 is mysteriously "barely louder" at a whopping 6db louder.

Back on topic:

It's a given dual GF110s produce more heat than dual 6970s. SO, can NVIDIA pull off another engineering feat and cool them without having our wives asking why we're drying our hair in our computer rooms? (like the owners of this card are facing)

If the rumors are true we'll know soon.
480 should be illegal, LOL, your exaggerations are amusing. Guess what, it was barely louder, it just happened to make it the loudest card around. Same situation here, just all the sudden you're on the other side, because its the ATI card. Just pointing out how hypocritical you are, once again, despite you trying to make it about me.

Guess what rollo, 480 was too loud, for me. I had a 5870, but at peak it was too loud for me, I controlled the fan myself and kept it lower. The 6990 is waaay too loud for me. My current card is a 570 GTX with a Twin Frozr 2 on it, because I was so sick of loud cards. See, it wasn't about me though, it was about the fact you thought a loud NV card was fine, but a loud ATI card is bad. LOL.
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These cards are just begging for water cooling. To be honest they should have gone to a three slot cooling solution with dual fans. I know people wouldn't be thrilled but it's really the only way for an air cooled solution to work without sounding like a dust buster. We're treading into uncharted territories with these kinds of power draws.
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Old 03-08-11, 07:31 PM   #18
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This might actually be a watershed moment in gaming cards. If NVIDIA can't engineer a better cooling solution, this generation of cards will surely be very poor sellers for both brands.

As ATI's stated business model is to avoid large monolithic chips and compete with hot, loud products like the 6990, will they go back to the drawing board?

Will NVIDIA venture into the SLi on a stick waters again if they hear things like ATi is weathering in regard to this product?

It could change computer gaming cards back to single GPU if NVIDIA fails on the level ATi did.

As a veteran of the previous three quad SLi sets, I'd certainly be sad to see them go.
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It could change computer gaming cards back to single GPU if NVIDIA fails on the level ATi did.
How is it fail? You are retarded and blowing the noise out of proportion, when in fact the card isn't loud at all.

580 SLI = 46DB
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...-sli-review/15

570 SLI = 42DB
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...-sli-review/14

6990 = 46DB
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6990-review/12

6950 CFX = 48DB
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6990-review/12

I fail to see how this card is loud? Quieter than 6950 crossfire, same level of noise as 580sli.

So according to your logic, 580 sli is fail.
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Old 03-08-11, 07:57 PM   #20
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Hmm, interesting thread Rollo. I guess you have changed your mind a bit

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Meh. Not all give a damn about power/heat/noise.

Some of us are enthusiast and care about performance/performance/performance, and don't mind building a case around the GPU solution...
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You're consistent, no information of any value here.

Believe it or not NP, contrary to ATi PR, some people consider price/performance, features, or just performance when purchasing video cards...
Btw, this little quote is quite a gem, considering the top performing parts.


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In the FX days ATi actually made the best GPU, something they've had trouble with since.

These days they usually come in a distant second, declare something like "profitability" the defining factor, and then give interviews about how they "won".
AMD has been unchallenged with the fastest single-card solution since the 5970. I have high hopes for the 590, even with potential pit-falls such as noise
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Hmm, interesting thread Rollo. I guess you have changed your mind a bit





Btw, this little quote is quite a gem, considering the top performing parts.




AMD has been unchallenged with the fastest single-card solution since the 5970. I have high hopes for the 590, even with potential pit-falls such as noise

LOLOLOL you win 9001 internets my friend.
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Old 03-08-11, 08:33 PM   #22
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How is it fail?
It's a single card that is 6db louder than a GTX480, as reported by Toms Hardware and AnandTech:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...e,2878-15.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4209/a...e-card-king/18

So what does that mean to us, and the 590 if it follows suit?

http://www.astralsound.com/the_decibel.htm

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So the 6990 is about halfway between "clearly noticeable" and "twice as loud" as a GTX480, last year's loudest card. Do you consider that "success"?

People expect high end CF/SLi to be louder than single cards, there are two fans. (not to mention the top fan always runs louder as it is taking in hot air off the bottom card)

The 6990 manages the sonic output of high end CF with one fan- a dubious honor.

That's why I think if the 590 is as loud or louder than the 6990 faceplant, it may spell the end of this strategy.

I like dual GPU cards, I hope the NVIDIA team does it right.
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Old 03-08-11, 08:57 PM   #23
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I think if Nvidia puts two 570 on GTX590 and price it cheaper than HD6990 it will smoke AMD/ATI
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Old 03-08-11, 09:39 PM   #24
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Don't be too sure red777star, it depends in what context. The 6990 retained the 2 GB on each card, which is something to note. AMD has had the advantage here with respect to VRAM for high resolutions/multi-screen setups. And it appears this advantage will carry on into the dual GPU card world if the 590 ends up with something like 3 GB total.

And rollo I think it's obvious that the one fan solution requires way too high RPM (thus high noise) to keep the temperatures under control. Crossfire/SLI doesn't necessarily mean louder. Sure two cards output more heat, but if both fans are running quietly, it shouldn't make a big difference. All it takes is one fan at a high RPM to make a lot of noise. If the GTX 590 has three fans like that EVGA prototype card, I think it will probably be quieter (possibly cooler) than the 6990.
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