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Old 03-08-11, 09:45 PM   #25
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Default Re: Will the GTX590 escape 6990s sound downfall???

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People expect high end CF/SLi to be louder than single cards, there are two fans. (not to mention the top fan always runs louder as it is taking in hot air off the bottom card)

The 6990 manages the sonic output of high end CF with one fan- a dubious honor.

That's why I think if the 590 is as loud or louder than the 6990 faceplant, it may spell the end of this strategy.

I like dual GPU cards, I hope the NVIDIA team does it right.
Interesting you say that now.

Things must have really changed around from before TRollo. Are you no longer considering a $700 card to be an enthusiast item for the enthusiasts who care about nothing but performance/performance/performance?

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Meh. Not all give a damn about power/heat/noise.

Some of us are enthusiast and care about performance/performance/performance, and don't mind building a case around the GPU solution...
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You're consistent, no information of any value here.

Believe it or not NP, contrary to ATi PR, some people consider price/performance, features, or just performance when purchasing video cards...
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Old 03-08-11, 10:09 PM   #26
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Fan never bothered me. I say if you are bothered by fan noise you are either neurotic or have serious problems.
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Old 03-08-11, 10:22 PM   #27
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First, anyone buying a dual gpu card isn't entirely concerned with the noise. Or even remotely concerned with it. On Hardforum there is a thread about someone building a quad sli liquid cooled monster. Noise isn't of any concern to them because they have their pc in a different room than they're in.

Second, dual gpu is no longer a sensible product in terms of price/performance. In the gtx 295 era it worked because it solved the problem of having enough space. The 5970 solved the issue of someone not being able to get their hands on two 58xx cards. Now more motherboards than ever are built with dual gpu configurations in mind as well as power supplies that are dual gpu compliant.

Third, us pc gamers are at a stage were graphics are standing still. The only way up is to add more screens or to set up 3d configurations. The vast majority of us are doing neither. Most screens are 1080p and that resolution does not require a dual card configuration.

Last, Rollo, I hope you get paid for making these threads.
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Old 03-09-11, 12:54 AM   #28
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I honestly doubt the GTX590 will be any quieter than the 6990. I'd say it will more than likely be a little louder actually. That is unless Nvidia has come up with an improved solution for a dual GPU card.

It is about time both these companies do more when it comes to cooling these monster cards. When you push the limits we expect them to be hotter (especially considering all the HUGE stuff ups with die shrinks) But they need to do more work on there cooling solutions IMO.

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Last, Rollo, I hope you get paid for making these threads.
Even if he doesn't it's still a good read
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Old 03-09-11, 02:32 AM   #29
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How is it fail? You are retarded and blowing the noise out of proportion, when in fact the card isn't loud at all.

580 SLI = 46DB
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...-sli-review/15

570 SLI = 42DB
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...-sli-review/14

6990 = 46DB
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6990-review/12

6950 CFX = 48DB
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6990-review/12

I fail to see how this card is loud? Quieter than 6950 crossfire, same level of noise as 580sli.

So according to your logic, 580 sli is fail.
No, you're numbers are wrong. 580 SLI is 41db according to Guru, not 46, that's THREE 580's you are looking at.

And Guru's numbers are clearly off. Both Anandtech and Tom's show almost exactly the same db level spreads and yet somehow Guru's aren't even close to the same. One of these things is not like the other.

Like I said earlier, it's louder than the current top in card by a larger margin than the 480 was over the 5870 and people bitched and moaned about how loud the 480 was/is, so why defend the 6990?

People are talking about Rollo turning coat, but I see it happening on both sides of this argument. Suddenly the 480 is "barely louder" even though at release this wasn't what he was screaming. Now the 6990 "isn't loud at all" but 6 months ago a card that was quieter was considered too loud.

How can you guys attack his changing tune when the rest of you are doing the same thing?
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great perfermance no doubt about that.

but its bloody too hot for my taste and way too loud.
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If the GTX 590 has three fans like that EVGA prototype card, I think it will probably be quieter (possibly cooler) than the 6990.
JasonPC- if you are correct and the 590 has one of those three fan solutions, I suspect 90% of all dual GPU cards this gen will be 590s.

Here's why:

Performance: Even if the 6990 manages higher overall performance, at this level performance, the "wins" become sort of irrelevant. 130 vs 120fps doesn't offer a difference in gaming experience. I don't think dual 6970s can differentiate themselves.

VRAM: At 57 X 10 multi and 25X16 single, which covers 99.9% of all display sets, 1.5GB VRAM is plenty.

Features: NVIDIA wins this hands down. ATi 3d is a crude science experiment at this point, they have no GPU accelerated physics, no forced ambient occlusion, and STREAM is years behind CUDA. The rumor is 590s will support three monitors, ATi's sole advantage of offering more than that just applies to far too few to matter.

Power/Heat/Noise: NVIDIA will win hands down with a three fan solution. ATi's single fan dustbuster is likely going to resurrect the photoshop jokes with 6990s transposed over leaf blowers, hair dryers and the like.

Given that NVIDIA already holds the lion's share of the desktop discrete market, expect a big price cut on 6990s soon after the 590 launches if pricing is similar and they have EVGA's three fan solution or another quiet solution. People won't buy a much louder card with no feature set and no performance advantage for the same price.

If you're right on the three fans, NVIDIA should call it "The Way It's Meant To Be Built".
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The 6990 will mature into a good card, i'm sure. Just they needed to get it out the gate early as poss to get leverage on the 590.

Still think that cooler is a disgrace though.

The noise that thing makes is dire, sometimes you can get away with it if the pitch and tone of the noise is mellow. Not this clicking, popping rubbish.
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I would just like to point out that measuring sound....is an exact science. Refer to ANSI S1.4 and ANSI S1.13 for starters.

It is not just a matter of pointing and measuring.

Comparison of sound testing by these websites may not be comparable because either the microphones of the sound level meters (random incidence or free field microphone ) they have used may not be compatible or even the way they measured the sound level meters. (diffuse field vs free field technique)

In our company we have sound rooms to test for noise for certain toy products. (ASTM F963) and I authored the SOP for sound measurement.........a long time ago but just wanted to point the above out.
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Old 03-10-11, 06:08 AM   #34
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The 6990 will mature into a good card, i'm sure. Just they needed to get it out the gate early as poss to get leverage on the 590.

Still think that cooler is a disgrace though.

The noise that thing makes is dire, sometimes you can get away with it if the pitch and tone of the noise is mellow. Not this clicking, popping rubbish.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/amds-radeon-hd-6970-radeon-hd-6950/24

70.2db for GTX480 SLi

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4209/a...e-card-king/18

70.2db for HD6990, the new single card world champion of noise output.

I've been using GTX480 SLi for a year and can tell you it's not quiet. It's not grating like the FX5800 Ultras whine was, but it's the loudest thing in my case and easily noticeable.

So the question remains: will NVIDIA be able to design a dual high end part without a very high level of noise for a graphics solution? We'll all find out on March 22nd as the launch date has been confirmed.

I would encourage anyone who wonders whether GTX480 SLi level sound is right for them to wait the 11 days and see if they have an alternative. If the 590 is quieter, it will be an across the board better option.
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I *really* don't understand people's beef with noise. I'm running dual OC'd 470's at 100% fan speed (during gaming), and I don't notice. Why? Because if I'm gaming , I usually use headphones to listen to the loud sounds ...you know, like gunshots, explosions, people screaming, etc.

And when I'm not gaming, the cards throttle back and run in nice low power mode.

Rollo, I have nothing against you personally, man, but I think you're really grasping at straws if you have the nerve to harp on an AMD card for being "too loud". It's a dual GPU card. It's going to be "loud". It's going to draw tons of power. It's going to be blazing fast. The AMD single GPU stuff is REALLY quiet and draws so much less power than nVidia equivalents.
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100% fan noise is a killer for me. I game on a 7.1 home theater system, if my computer is louder than my Projector, then it's a beef.

Right now, i'am running a SLI 460 and it's quieter than my Projector (with 2 Gigabytes OC card)
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